Shocked & Disgusted

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I think you need to get over it. As someone previously said, people have the right to be disappointed and frightened over the unknown. Although we know that most of these people have no idea what socialism and communism really are, no one knows how well the Obama presidency will do. However, most of these people will eventually calm down and be open to the possibilities. Your friend isn't using her disappointment or fear in a racially charged manner or trying to incite a riot leading to anarchy.

I think that Dems and liberals (and Obama supporters who don't fall into those categories) are being really hypocritical. Many of these people were talking about moving to Canada when Bush was elected/reelected and never stopped criticizing Bush. It can be said that the Bush presidency wouldn't have been as bad if everyone had worked together and JUST GOTTEN WITH IT. But that wasn't enough to get people to get over these stupid Repub, Dem, liberal, conservative divides.** So folks shouldn't act brand new now as if an Obama presidency suddenly means nonpartisanism and a unified America. What change people are waiting for doesn't happen so quickly.

** And I still hate Dems and Repubs. But I can get with it.

I heart you. That is exactly what I've been feeling for the past couple of days. Many of the same people who have Bush-bashed for 8 years are now crying foul because others are disappointed with the election results. I myself said that I wasn't going to watch any news for months because I couldn't stand all the Obama ass-kissing. That lasted 24 hours. I got over my pity party and am interested to see what will happen. Not excited - interested. But maybe in a few months I can be excited. I definitely don't want him to fail. And it's actually Pelosi and Reid that I fear more than Obama.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by jwright25

I heart you. That is exactly what I've been feeling for the past couple of days. Many of the same people who have Bush-bashed for 8 years are now crying foul because others are disappointed with the election results. I myself said that I wasn't going to watch any news for months because I couldn't stand all the Obama ass-kissing. That lasted 24 hours. I got over my pity party and am interested to see what will happen. Not excited - interested. But maybe in a few months I can be excited. I definitely don't want him to fail. And it's actually Pelosi and Reid that I fear more than Obama.

I think you and I are examples of the people who can be supportive of the administration without actually drinking the Kool-Aid. There are a lot of us out there.

So, yes, I am an Independent who voted for Obama, support Obama, have a wave of emotions over his win, and think this country is ready for something better. But I am still annoyed by his speech pattern and am still waiting for him to earn the praise that he is receiving. And if I read or hear one more person type or say "Obama is asking us to...." (you aren't the only one, AKA Monet ), I will...continue to do what I've been doing: HECKLE.

[RedefinedDiva]

To be honest, I couldn't care less if the non-Obama supporters get over it. That's their damn business if they don't. They'll just have to learn the hard way. Let them continue to live in the fantasy world that they're in. I don't know where they've been, but where I'm sitting, things have been hard as hell, the economy is in the septic tank, and there wasn't a glimmer of HOPE until Nov. 4th. Now, that there is some semblance of normalcy returning to our lives, the folks that love the status quo are getting all riled up. However, we need to realize that some people just can't be pleased, nor do they WANT to be pleased, moreso because President-elect Obama is Black.

My favorite quote has ALWAYS been "I can show you better than I can tell you" and that will most certainly be effect for the Obama/Biden administration. He'll just have to show the naysayers that he means business. When life improves, there will STILL be people that don't want to admit it. Why? Because President-elect Obama is Black and they would rather saw off their left leg with a rusty butter knife than to admit it. However, everyone can't be pleased. Let them sit their unhappy, uptight, and cranky asses on the sidelines while we move forward to a better future.

Yes, racism is ugly. Yes, racism is alive and well. Yes, it makes us angry, especially in a society where everyone SHOULD be progressive thinkers. However, the only appropriate thing to do is to ATTEMPT to educate. If that doesn't work, tell them to shut the hell up, sit the hell down, and move the hell on. Life is too short to waste on ignorant people that will go to their graves with their ignorant thoughts.

[moe.ron]

Well, it's the internet. You should read what they say about soccer teams, make the reaction to Obama's win look like a love fest.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva

To be honest, I couldn't care less if the non-Obama supporters get over it. That's their damn business if they don't. They'll just have to learn the hard way. Let them continue to live in the fantasy world that they're in. I don't know where they've been, but where I'm sitting, things have been hard as hell, the economy is in the septic tank, and there wasn't a glimmer of HOPE until Nov. 4th. Now, that there is some semblance of normalcy returning to our lives, the folks that love the status quo are getting all riled up. However, we need to realize that some people just can't be pleased, nor do they WANT to be pleased, moreso because President-elect Obama is Black.

My favorite quote has ALWAYS been "I can show you better than I can tell you" and that will most certainly be effect for the Obama/Biden administration. He'll just have to show the naysayers that he means business. When life improves, there will STILL be people that don't want to admit it. Why? Because President-elect Obama is Black and they would rather saw off their left leg with a rusty butter knife than to admit it. However, everyone can't be pleased. Let them sit their unhappy, uptight, and cranky asses on the sidelines while we move forward to a better future.

Yes, racism is ugly. Yes, racism is alive and well. Yes, it makes us angry, especially in a society where everyone SHOULD be progressive thinkers. However, the only appropriate thing to do is to ATTEMPT to educate. If that doesn't work, tell them to shut the hell up, sit the hell down, and move the hell on. Life is too short to waste on ignorant people that will go to their graves with their ignorant thoughts.

This . . . this just doesn't . . . well, this doesn't really apply to anything, at all.

Don't get me wrong - it's wonderful prose. But who are you talking to? Seriously - who?

[RedefinedDiva]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

This . . . this just doesn't . . . well, this doesn't really apply to anything, at all.

Don't get me wrong - it's wonderful prose. But who are you talking to? Seriously - who?

I'm speaking in general (to no one in particular, here or otherwise). And most certainly, my comment applies. The thread may have "evolved" since then, but my comment responds to the questions/comments posed by the OP. My post wasn't meant to stop, interrupt or quiet the discussion. I rolled in, started reading, and responded.

[Phrozen1ne]

Any way it goes, he will be the president of the U.S. Non-supporters are entitled to their opinion. Everyone can and should be critical of their leadership, but in the end he is our (supporters, non-supporters) President. Some folks didn't like Bush or his policies, but he was our Prez for 8 yrs. Glad that $h!t is over.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

For you lame jokers who are sweatin' and hatin' on our new president, shut up and just......

You realize how ridiculous this line of thinking is, right? Like DST said, there's a middle line to be drawn, and expecting people to just follow blindly because you like the candidate in question, it's just not realistic.

That's not to say that, if things improve, people won't back him. But telling people to "shut up" is ignoring reality and forcing your own beliefs onto others.

Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva

To be honest, I couldn't care less if the non-Obama supporters get over it. That's their damn business if they don't. They'll just have to learn the hard way. Let them continue to live in the fantasy world that they're in. I don't know where they've been, but where I'm sitting, things have been hard as hell, the economy is in the septic tank, and there wasn't a glimmer of HOPE until Nov. 4th. Now, that there is some semblance of normalcy returning to our lives, the folks that love the status quo are getting all riled up. However, we need to realize that some people just can't be pleased, nor do they WANT to be pleased, moreso because President-elect Obama is Black.

My favorite quote has ALWAYS been "I can show you better than I can tell you" and that will most certainly be effect for the Obama/Biden administration. He'll just have to show the naysayers that he means business. When life improves, there will STILL be people that don't want to admit it. Why? Because President-elect Obama is Black and they would rather saw off their left leg with a rusty butter knife than to admit it. However, everyone can't be pleased. Let them sit their unhappy, uptight, and cranky asses on the sidelines while we move forward to a better future.

Yes, racism is ugly. Yes, racism is alive and well. Yes, it makes us angry, especially in a society where everyone SHOULD be progressive thinkers. However, the only appropriate thing to do is to ATTEMPT to educate. If that doesn't work, tell them to shut the hell up, sit the hell down, and move the hell on. Life is too short to waste on ignorant people that will go to their graves with their ignorant thoughts.

People on this thread aren't denying that racism is out there. They're not denying that racism is affecting people's judgment on Obama. There will always be people who will hate Obama because of the color of his skin. There will always be people who will let their prejudices color their better judgment.

But...there are also people who aren't excited about a Obama presidency for other reasons. People who don't like his foreign policy. People who aren't thrilled about his tax platform, or his domestic platform, or something. People who have reasons that go beyond the color of his skin.

It scares me a little that there are people who think that 100% of the people should accept his policies right away, or that, just because he may be better than Bush (an admittedly low standard), that he'll have 100% approval on the merits.

He'll never be accepted 100%, even by those who are looking beyond race. People should realize that and accept that, and not criticize those who aren't ready to back him.