Shocked & Disgusted

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

exactly and that also is in part why McCain didn't get many votes from the Black community...most of us can't relate to him and surely even fewer can relate or agree with Palin and her policies.....


Altho having a teen duaghter pregnant and a drop out son in law (still babydaddy at this point tho) does give her a tiny bit of street cred.....

Just like blacks can disproportionately relate to Obama being raised by his mother and not knowing his father. Those are certainly things that I and my immediate circle of friends cannot relate to. I pray for the day that blacks are not disproportionately represented in them.

But that's really about how social class interacts with race. Some blacks of high socioeconomic status found themselves conflicted this election.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Bad logic based on a faulty assumption.

That faulty assumption is that the blacks who were already active voters and vote in every election haven't been voting for white candidates for years and wouldn't have voted for a white candidate if Obama wasn't on the ticket.

Which, of course, is untrue. It isn't that these voters would've voted for McCain had he not been white or that they would've sat this election out if the Dem candidate was white. So there is no indication that these black voters are afraid of a white presidency and have distrust or negative feelings towards whites that manifest themselves during election time.

I don't agree. If the black candidate vs white candidate was never an option before in the general election then the race of a candidate wouldn't have been a factor. If two white guys were running then their "whiteness" (for lack of a better term) would cancel itself out since it was on both sides of the coin. So those who were already voting would vote anyway without considering the race of the candidate as a factor.

Additionally, I wasn't saying anyone was afraid of a white president. I was just saying that it's the same decision to vote for someone because they're white OR to vote for someone because they're black. I don't think one is morally better than the other.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by ZTAMich

One of the 4th graders I tutor said to me on Wednesday "My mommy says only people with your kind of skin voted for McCain and none of you voted for Obama."

I am agog...what does this idiot woman think, 50% of the electorate is black? Who does she think half of Hollywood voted for? If I'm not mistaken, Obama got more of the white vote than either Gore or Kerry.

I feel like teaching is made more problematic by the idiot parents.

My nephew came home upset on Election Day because some of his classmates called Barack Obama a "babykiller." He was like, "Clearly, he would be in prison if he was killing people--not running for President!" His teacher told the kids that if they didn't like Obama, then they could just leave the country. Totally insane for the second grade!

[ZTAMich]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I am agog...what does this idiot woman think, 50% of the electorate is black? Who does she think half of Hollywood voted for? If I'm not mistaken, Obama got more of the white vote than either Gore or Kerry.

I feel like teaching is made more problematic by the idiot parents.

My nephew came home upset on Election Day because some of his classmates called Barack Obama a "babykiller." He was like, "Clearly, he would be in prison if he was killing people--not running for President!" His teacher told the kids that if they didn't like Obama, then they could just leave the country. Totally insane for the second grade!

Ugh the parents up here...don't get me started! Still not as bad as suburban parents I think so I shouldn't complain.

As per your nephew's teacher -I would take a different spin on the people who don't like Obama. I'd tell the kids that grown ups have a choice (i'm all about choices with my class) If you don't like Obama don't vote for him. But once the election is over I believe it is our job as Americans to support whoever is in power (i'm also all about respect for others).

[AKA_Monet]

Umm... Why are we arguing about this?

Do you all think fools would really want to stave off the Inauguration without the Secret Service and other agencies NOT finding it out? Good luck with that...

And so what if folks voted for a candidate based on the color of his skin? What difference does it make after the votes are tallied? Yes, some people voted for Obama SOLELY on skin color. Yes, some people voted for McCain SOLELY on "lack of skin" color... (I really think people voted against McCain because of Sarah Palin and her antics--SNL/Bill Maher/Daily Show/Chocolate News made some money on lampooning her...) So does that make people who voted against her sexist? And think, we ALL voted against Bush--which makes us anti-dunces...

There were 7 other sets (I think) of those who were running for President--not saying they were viable--but they were running for the US presidency...

So how do they rate?

The fact is all of us have to start doing some gross introspection as to how we define ourselves as Americans. Because things done changed...

It is the dawn of a new era...

The World is happy because of this.

Is racism dead?

Since the campaigns were likened to be the birth pangs. Maybe President Obama's election is the actual birth.

Now we have to take care of a newborn--change it's diapers, which takes ~2 weeks for chit to get stinky--but we love OUR baby nonetheless... We have to feed this newborn, give it tummy time, breastfeed it, burp it... It's going take awhile to nurture this newborn in yearly times. And we will have to readjust our lifestyles to take care of our baby--this new Age...

Will we do early childhood development to allow our new Age baby thrive?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

I don't agree. If the black candidate vs white candidate was never an option before in the general election then the race of a candidate wouldn't have been a factor. If two white guys were running then their "whiteness" (for lack of a better term) would cancel itself out since it was on both sides of the coin. So those who were already voting would vote anyway without considering the race of the candidate as a factor.

Actually, the race of the candidates has been a factor in every election because whiteness, white privilege, and white male privilege were presented as the template. Whiteness isn't invisible just because we are surrounded by it everyday, although whites feel that it is because they are the mainstream and dominant group.

Race was simply a different type of factor in this election than previous elections.

So what are you disagreeing with?

Originally Posted by OtterXO

Additionally, I wasn't saying anyone was afraid of a white president. I was just saying that it's the same decision to vote for someone because they're white OR to vote for someone because they're black. I don't think one is morally better than the other.

I didn't say you said that. I'm saying that.

It still isn't the same decision, generally speaking, regardless of how many times you all type that it is.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I am agog...what does this idiot woman think, 50% of the electorate is black? Who does she think half of Hollywood voted for? If I'm not mistaken, Obama got more of the white vote than either Gore or Kerry.

Exactly. This election placed a mirror in front of Americans and showed how uninformed and easily baited they are.

You mean, a candidate can't win without the white vote? I thought only black people voted for Obama!!!!! He needed white people, too?!?!?!?!

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Actually, the race of the candidates has been a factor in every election because whiteness, white privilege, and white male privilege were presented as the template. Whiteness isn't invisible just because we are surrounded by it everyday, although whites feel that it is because they are the mainstream and dominant group.

Race was simply a different type of factor in this election than previous elections.

So what are you disagreeing with?



I didn't say you said that. I'm saying that.

It still isn't the same decision, generally speaking, regardless of how many times you all type that it is.

The example of two white candidates was not to say that whiteness is invisible if they are white, it was an example of the race being the same for both candidates. It could have just as easily been two black candidates but you mentioned the races where there were two white candidates. Please don't assume the worst in my posts. I think we can probably just agree to disagree on whether it's the same type of decision. But I do think it's good for those of us who believe it to be the same type of decision to realize that there are conflicting views from different perspectives.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

The example of two white candidates was not to say that whiteness is invisible if they are white, it was an example of the race being the same for both candidates.

Race is the same but race is still visible for those who do not want to vote for a white Republican or Democratic candidate from fear of a white presidency or distrust of whites.

I don't believe in agreeing to disagree but I'll say this discussion is dumb. LOL.

[nittanyalum]

Italy's Prime Minister calls Obama "handsome and even-tanned". http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081106/...rlusconi_obama

Part of me loves that he just says stupid stuff because he wants to and the other part of me just thinks he's an imbecile. But I still LOLed.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Race is the same but race is still visible for those who do not want to vote for a white Republican or Democratic candidate from fear of a white presidency or distrust of whites.

I don't believe in agreeing to disagree but I'll say this discussion is dumb. LOL.

True. haha

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Italy's Prime Minister calls Obama "handsome and even-tanned". http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081106/...rlusconi_obama

Part of me loves that he just says stupid stuff because he wants to and the other part of me just thinks he's an imbecile. But I still LOLed.

I can't find your post about Obama babies.

An Obama baby was born on election day and his middle name is "Obama." I weap for how far people will take this.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I can't find your post about Obama babies.

An Obama baby was born on election day and his middle name is "Obama." I weap for how far people will take this.

It wasn't my post, but here it is: http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...9&postcount=51

I thought I'd read about a baby already receiving the FIRST name of Obama -- maybe I misread it and it was the same baby you're talking about. It's actually a pretty cool first name, I'll be more impressed when there's a flood of "Barack"s born.

[DreamfulSpirit]

I was quite appalled at some of my friends facebook statuses as well:

-welcomes everyone to the USSA: United Socialist States of America.

-THIS COUNTRY IS F-ED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-well country, it's been nice knowing ya, welcome to the change of socialism.

There was even one about how putting the country in the hands of liberals has just handed the country to terrorists...something along that line. A lot of my friends have commented on the negativity and how they're not happy with it.

[BetteDavisEyes]

One gem I saw was a bubblehead skank from myspace with a F**K Obama profile picture and the headline that Obama is going to ruin what's left of the country.


Then there were all the stupid comments by people threatening to move to Canada.