The 2008 Election Day LIVE Thread

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Nader has really cashed in all his chips, so to speak. He did some good things for the population, but now he's living on his reputation.

I'm going to be the lightning rod for stupid people who can't hold an intelligent conversation, but he actually has a moderate point - remember that multiple sources reported that Obama's run for editor of the Harvard Law Journal was promoted strongly by black students thinking that Obama would provide a strong voice for their movement . . . instead, he provided a strong centrist voice, and actually moved past politics (to their chagrin).

Assuming Nader is referring to Obama's ability to retain his strong minority base, he actually may have an interesting point - what happens when Obama actually lives up to his centrist (or, rather, mutual-respect) ideals?

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I'm going to be the lightning rod for stupid people who can't hold an intelligent conversation, but he actually has a moderate point - remember that multiple sources reported that Obama's run for editor of the Harvard Law Journal was promoted strongly by black students thinking that Obama would provide a strong voice for their movement . . . instead, he provided a strong centrist voice, and actually moved past politics (to their chagrin).

Assuming Nader is referring to Obama's ability to retain his strong minority base, he actually may have an interesting point - what happens when Obama actually lives up to his centrist (or, rather, mutual-respect) ideals?

But, you're talking about a position he took a number of years ago. One looks at his platform, and it paints a different picture. And, that relies on Nader keeping his 2008 promises, which is questionable.

Plus, I don't think Obama lives up to those centrist ideals.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

A double-shot from the KSigs!

Ok, first, I wasn't trying to be a "dick" RC, I'm not sure why you read it that way. I was actually, in my own emotionally-exhausted-way, trying to show my support for what I think of as the "Republican" party. I grew up with the GOP and still have respect for its core principles. I was trying to say that I just don't even recognize the party that's operating right now under the "Republican" banner. And I think it's great, KSigkid, that you see it as a responsibility to take the burden on as a "Republican", but I just didn't want to see you taking people's comments about the booing, etc., so personally. I don't think anyone on this board thinks of you guys and your beliefs with the same distaste they may have for the more the extreme voices that have taken over for the Republicans, especially during the last legs of this campaign.

Sorry if I didn't articulate that well (before or now). I've been through enough wins and enough losses to understand how elated or depressed both sides feel right now. And it does seriously suck to be on the losing end.

This is fair, but honestly you seemed more pointed than this. This kind of context gives a lot more insight, but without this context, a lot of depth is missing. I hope you get where I'm coming from, and that I'm not impugning you at all. All good - it's that kind of night either way. I voted for Barr, so clearly I have a skewed view regardless (obviously IA was clearly Obama as of last year, so it was mostly to keep the ballot open in the future).

Originally Posted by KSigkid

But, you're talking about a position he took a number of years ago. One looks at his platform, and it paints a different picture. And, that relies on Nader keeping his 2008 promises, which is questionable.

Plus, I don't think Obama lives up to those centrist ideals.

None of this matters though - that's exactly my point. Nader may be a crazy angry silly old man, BUT if Obama's plan is forthright, Nader may actually have some semblance of a point. It doesn't matter what you think - that's the promise, and that's exactly the dilemma Nader is presenting.