Biden / Palin VP Debate, Oct 2nd @ 9PM EST

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by pinksirfidel

Okay, I'm disgusted! Just catching up on the news for the day....

Palin's speech rally today--While speaking of the Ayers-Obama link, someone belted out loud "KILL HIM!" No one knows if he was referring to Obama or Ayers! ...and the crowd applauds.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the..._the_roug.html
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/...n-soldiers-on/

McCain's speech rally today--McCain asks the crowd, "who is the real Barack Obama?" An audience member says "A TERRORIST!" ...and the crowd applauds.
Video: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/06/...ama-terrorist/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_132366.html

Wooooww!! This is where the McCain camp has gone? Why aren't more people outraged!?! This is Bull!! I'm so pissed off that this election is going to dirt. People are loosing there houses, their heath care plans. People are struggling... and the McCain campaign is trying to BRING DOWN Obama personally? John McCain is NO John McCain in these last few months! Let's do what John McCain said (when he was himself) in the beginning of this campaign... "I will speak about the issues, people care about most! Personal attacks have no place in my campaign." These recent attacks are strategic, demeaning and some are border line racist (yup, i said it)!!

Get the fuck over yourself. Racist? Jesus Christ, Obamanation is a bunch of batshit crazy lunatics.

First of all, I doubt the McCain campaign can do anything about people yelling things at their rallies. Classless on both counts but hardly McCain's fault.

You're pissed about people trying to bring down Black Jesus personally? Wow, hypocrite.......what about what Obamessiah's camp has done to McCain...and Palin for that matter? Pretty sure I've seen/listened to several ads from them that are fucking deplorable. The one making fun of McCain for not being able to use a computer was really cool. Your own VP candidate trashed it live on the air. The first thing Black Jesus did when Palin got announced as VP candidate was the deployment of a team of Obamabots to Alaska to dig up dirt on her. Black Jesus has been running a dirty campaign since day one and you're getting pissed about McCain wanting the United States to realize what kind of complete scum Black Jesus has associated with and used as mentors over the course of his life? I'd say shedding light on associations with radicals and domestic terrorists is completely fair game.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Get the fuck over yourself. Racist? Jesus Christ, Obamanation is a bunch of batshit crazy lunatics.

First of all, I doubt the McCain campaign can do anything about people yelling things at their rallies. Classless on both counts but hardly McCain's fault.

You're pissed about people trying to bring down Black Jesus personally? Wow, hypocrite.......what about what Obamessiah's camp has done to McCain...and Palin for that matter? Pretty sure I've seen/listened to several ads from them that are fucking deplorable. The one making fun of McCain for not being able to use a computer was really cool. Your own VP candidate trashed it live on the air. The first thing Black Jesus did when Palin got announced as VP candidate was the deployment of a team of Obamabots to Alaska to dig up dirt on her. Black Jesus has been running a dirty campaign since day one and you're getting pissed about McCain wanting the United States to realize what kind of complete scum Black Jesus has associated with and used as mentors over the course of his life? I'd say shedding lite on associations with radicals and domestic terrorists is completely fair game.

WOW. Regardless of whether or not McCain's ads are racist, or Obama's ad about computers was stupid, or who is doing what at which time and why it was deplorable - You need to tone that down. A lot.

There are a lot of ways that you can say "Obama's campaign has been just as negative if not more negative than McCain's" without using that many curse words and calling Obama "Black Jesus" all the way through.

If you want to add something worthwhile to the discussion, by all means, go ahead. But act like a mature adult.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

WOW. Regardless of whether or not McCain's ads are racist, or Obama's ad about computers was stupid, or who is doing what at which time and why it was deplorable - You need to tone that down. A lot.

There are a lot of ways that you can say "Obama's campaign has been just as negative if not more negative than McCain's" without using that many curse words and calling Obama "Black Jesus" all the way through.

If you want to add something worthwhile to the discussion, by all means, go ahead. But act like a mature adult.

The "Black Jesus" remarks are pretty spot-on with respect to how some Obama supporters feel about their 'great leader.'

For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HMByO1RA4M

It's great that the next President already has his own version of the Hitler Youth

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The "Black Jesus" remarks are pretty spot-on with respect to how some Obama supporters feel about their 'great leader.'

For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HMByO1RA4M

It's great that the next President already has his own version of the Hitler Youth

You could say that about any political leader though. There were people that felt like Bush was the new messiah (if you can remember that far back, before he was villified and potentially rightly so), there are people that have their heads shoved so far up McCain or Palin's butts that they can't see straight. You're going to have that with anyone. Some of Obama's followers are Nutty McNuttersons. So is Ann Coulter. So there you go.

TexasWSP's comment was inappropriate and did not add any intelligent thought to the discussion. Even though there were good thoughts in the comment, it was lost in all the "Black Jesus" crap every other word.

ETA: I took a look at the video - at first I was like "it's a step show - neat." Then - I don't know. It's obviously meant to be based on stepping/marching. But I don't think it's Obama's version of the Hitler youth. It seems closer to a bunch of kids trying to find a culturally relevant way to say that they support Obama. Not sure though.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

You could say that about any political leader though. There were people that felt like Bush was the new messiah (if you can remember that far back, before he was villified and potentially rightly so), there are people that have their heads shoved so far up McCain or Palin's butts that they can't see straight. You're going to have that with anyone. Some of Obama's followers are Nutty McNuttersons. So is Ann Coulter. So there you go.

McCain's political career wasn't started in Ann Coulter's living room.

TexasWSP's comment was inappropriate and did not add any intelligent thought to the discussion. Even though there were good thoughts in the comment, it was lost in all the "Black Jesus" crap every other word.

And was he responding to an intelligent thought? No? Flippancy meets flippancy.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Kevin

McCain's political career wasn't started in Ann Coulter's living room.

I didn't mean that McCain's signs on to Ann Coulter's particular brand of nuttiness. I was just making a point that there are nuts on either side of the political tree, so to speak.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

I didn't mean that McCain's signs on to Ann Coulter's particular brand of nuttiness. I was just making a point that there are nuts on either side of the political tree, so to speak.

True, but some nuts are more validly associated with the candidates. While you can't possibly say Anne Coulter, for example has anything to do with McCain, you can definitely say that Bill Ayers at least appears to be a very influential figure in Obama's political life.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by Kevin

And was he responding to an intelligent thought? No? Flippancy meets flippancy.

Kevin, obviously the post I was responding to was a paradigm of intelligent and mature thought. It was created by, I assume, an ObamabotmessiahBlackJesus supporter and they are like...totally enlightened and all-knowing and stuff.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

True, but some nuts are more validly associated with the candidates. While you can't possibly say Anne Coulter, for example has anything to do with McCain, you can definitely say that Bill Ayers at least appears to be a very influential figure in Obama's political life.

No, Kevin, you can't definitely say that, at least not with any credibility. That's not what any of the reports I've seen suggest. I've served on boards and been in the homes of many people over the years, and been supported by some of them on one thing or another, without them being "very influential figures" in my life. Some of them I could barely tolerate, but sometimes you work with people you barely tolerate in order to achieve what you're trying to achieve.

I realize hyperbole is the political currency of the day, but it's not buying you much in this instance.

Originally Posted by Kevin

It's great that the next President already has his own version of the Hitler Youth

Sorry, Kevin, but I'm invoking Godwin's Law on you. You lose, but thanks for playing.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Kevin, obviously the post I was responding to was a paradigm of intelligent and mature thought. It was created by, I assume, an ObamabotmessiahBlackJesus supporter and they are like...totally enlightened and all-knowing and stuff.

But but but.. you cussed!

[unspokenone25]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The "Black Jesus" remarks are pretty spot-on with respect to how some Obama supporters feel about their 'great leader.'

For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HMByO1RA4M

It's great that the next President already has his own version of the Hitler Youth

You know. Comments like these really really disturb me.

And the "Black Jesus" comment, no words.

[pinksirfidel]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

WOW. Regardless of whether or not McCain's ads are racist, or Obama's ad about computers was stupid, or who is doing what at which time and why it was deplorable - You need to tone that down. A lot.

There are a lot of ways that you can say "Obama's campaign has been just as negative if not more negative than McCain's" without using that many curse words and calling Obama "Black Jesus" all the way through.

If you want to add something worthwhile to the discussion, by all means, go ahead. But act like a mature adult.

I thought the very same thing. We've all been really mature while discussing political issues. The tone was not necessary.

Originally Posted by Kevin

The "Black Jesus" remarks are pretty spot-on with respect to how some Obama supporters feel about their 'great leader.'

For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HMByO1RA4M

It's great that the next President already has his own version of the Hitler Youth

You said it best--The "Black Jesus" remarks are pretty spot-on with respect to how some Obama supporters feel about their 'great leader.' I, personally, don't know of anyone who considers Obama their savior.

[pinksirfidel]

Wow...i don't even know where to start, so i'll gladly respond to your questions below...

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Get the fuck over yourself. Racist? There is really no need to talk to anyone that way. It looks like you need to get over yourself. Yup...I consider it borderline racist when they use his last name as a scare tactic. Jesus Christ, Obamanation is a bunch of batshit crazy lunatics.

First of all, I doubt the McCain campaign can do anything about people yelling things at their rallies. Classless on both counts but hardly McCain's fault. No, he can't control the crowd, of course not. But what kind of response was he looking for?

You're pissed about people trying to bring down Black Jesus personally? Black Jesus? I would compare anyone to Jesus. I'm pissed off that we are talking about stupid issues that have nothing to do with what most of America actually care about. Wow, hypocrite.......what about what Obamessiah's camp has done to McCain...and Palin for that matter? Maybe you haven't read any of my posts, but I don't condone any campaign attacking politicians in areas that have nothing to do with how they will run this country. Pretty sure I've seen/listened to several ads from them that are fucking deplorable. The one making fun of McCain for not being able to use a computer was really cool. Your own VP candidate trashed it live on the air. The first thing Black Jesus did when Palin got announced as VP candidate was the deployment of a team of Obamabots to Alaska to dig up dirt on her. ...and I guess you think there isn't a McCain team doing the same w/ Barack Obama? If so, you're foolin' yourself. Black Jesus has been running a dirty campaign since day one and you're getting pissed about McCain wanting the United States to realize what kind of complete scum Black Jesus has associated with and used as mentors over the course of his life? I'd say shedding light on associations with radicals and domestic terrorists is completely fair game. Funny, McCain would disagree with you....well, that was the McCain a few months ago.

[texas*princess]

... but I will say, for the most part, that didn't seem like a debate.

A debate is someone asking a question, allowing Person A to answer, then allowing Person B to respond to that on the same line and then possibly Person A responding to that response.

A debate is NOT asking a question, allowing Person A to answer, then Person B say "I know I'm not answering the question, but I don't want to talk about that, I want to talk about THIS instead".

[pinksirfidel]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

... but I will say, for the most part, that didn't seem like a debate.

A debate is someone asking a question, allowing Person A to answer, then allowing Person B to respond to that on the same line and then possibly Person A responding to that response.

A debate is NOT asking a question, allowing Person A to answer, then Person B say "I know I'm not answering the question, but I don't want to talk about that, I want to talk about THIS instead".

She didn't say that she wasn't going to answer the question. Everyone keeps saying this...but what she actually said was "I'm not going to answer the way you want me to answer" (something to that effect). I guess it back-fired, but I thought it was pretty clever of Palin to look into the camera and say that she was going to answer straight to the American people! I actually thought that may be something she snagged from Hillary Clinton's playbook.