Leaving Fraternity

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Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

By XYZ you mean ADPhi. Perhaps the self respect issue should be about those fraternities that feel the proper way to run a fraternal organization is to treat it's members like children, and to be more concerned with insurance cost than with chapter quality. Yes, we have affiliated two former chapters of other fraternities and discussed it with another. In each case we felt that the international reasons for pulling the chapter's charter were not legitimate, or had happened a fair amount of time ago and that the issues no longer applied. At W&L the initial letter to the members expelled them, thus we interpreted it to mean that they were free to join another fraternity. We were later overuled by NIC. We acted in good faith.

That's nice. As someone fairly close to the situation, I think you somewhat mischaracterize Sigma Phi Epsilon in this scenario as "more concerned with insurance cost than chapter quality." To be honest, I don't totally agree that the charter should have been yanked. Especially given the general goings-on at W&L fraternities, what happened with W&L SPE was fairly minor. However, there were certainly reasons that the charter was yanked, reasons that I believe SigEp could easily cite and would be in line with the risk management standards it publicizes to its members.. Of course, SigEp is back on campus at W&L now, for better or worse, as a Balanced Man chapter. ADPhi, not so much.

You do misrepresent ADPhi's actions at W&L. You are correct that you initiated a chapter where (as I noted in my post) you did legally interpret that the members were free. I do NOT believe that the letter to members expelled them. In fact, I believe it made them alumni while yanking the chapter charter. I can't confirm this 100% but I bet neither can you - neither of us have copies of the letter. However, when you initiated the W&L ADPhi "chapter" you had no house (at a school where all fraternities are housed), no guarantee of campus or IFC recognition, no nothing really.

Let me put it this way: I didn't know anything about ADPhi before you "colonized" at W&L. Now I basically think ADPhi is a joke fraternity that leeches onto other groups' expelled chapters.

You need to have a serious, serious discussion within your fraternity about what this is going to do to your image if you continue this practice.

I'd also like to see your comments on what you think of 70% of the former ADPhi "chapter" then going on to join Phi Kappa Psi.

Thanks.