Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by Liquid Soule

Some may be really upset about how Hillery was treated.

As I indicated in an earlier post, PROVE (ie show evidence) that BARACK OBAMA or HIS campaign was sexist toward Hillary or otherwise treated her poorly. I know of plenty of third parties (other Dems, media, folx on the street, Repugs, etc.) that were sexist but I cannot think of one incidence (neither could Ferraro when asked) of OBAMA's sexist behavior.

Frankly, I believe that Hillary brought a lot of it on herself. She chose poor advisors, allowed her husband to exercise his ego and carried an air of inevitability far into the process.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

As I indicated in an earlier post, PROVE (ie show evidence) that BARACK OBAMA or HIS campaign was sexist toward Hillary or otherwise treated her poorly. I know of plenty of third parties (other Dems, media, folx on the street, Repugs, etc.) that were sexist but I cannot think of one incidence (neither could Ferraro when asked) of OBAMA's sexist behavior.

Frankly, I believe that Hillary brought a lot of it on herself. She chose poor advisors, allowed her husband to exercise his ego and carried an air of inevitability far into the process.

Exactly. Some Hillary supporters have no doubt convinced themselves that Obama and his campaign were sexist toward Hillary which couldn't be further from the truth. If there was any sexism going on, it came from the Media and others, not Obama and his camp. I think the thing that these die-hard Hillary supporters; the "I can't vote for Obama" women refuse to admit to themselves is that Hillary's camp made several mistakes because they underestimated Obama's ability to win. The Clintons thought that Hillary would win by a landslide because afterall, they are "The Clintons" and Obama was an unknown. But like the saying goes..."Never underestimate your opponent."

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

As I indicated in an earlier post, PROVE (ie show evidence) that BARACK OBAMA or HIS campaign was sexist toward Hillary or otherwise treated her poorly. I know of plenty of third parties (other Dems, media, folx on the street, Repugs, etc.) that were sexist but I cannot think of one incidence (neither could Ferraro when asked) of OBAMA's sexist behavior.

"Mr. Obama, can I ask your thoughts on..." female reporter
"Not now 'sweetie'..." As he rushed out of the facility to go to another with secret service telling him where he needs to be...

Or when Obama said, "I look forward to working with you in the Whitehouse..." as Hillary rolled her eyes during one of the primary debates...

That's what "they" are talking about... That is "extremely offensive" to them... LOL... Kind of like "you people" at the NAACP in 1992...

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

"Mr. Obama, can I ask your thoughts on..." female reporter
"Not now 'sweetie'..." As he rushed out of the facility to go to another with secret service telling him where he needs to be......

This was NOT said or directed at Clinton. My mom (54 years old) calls anyone whose name she can't remember 'sweetie'. So no sexism here.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Or when Obama said, "I look forward to working with you in the Whitehouse..." as Hillary rolled her eyes during one of the primary debates......

I don't see the sexist bent on this. Is it the same as Hillary/Bill/others specualting that Obama could be HER VP? If so, she was being 'sexist' to him.





So far, no proof of Obama's sexism towards Hillary.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

This was NOT said or directed at Clinton. My mom (54 years old) calls anyone whose name she can't remember 'sweetie'. So no sexism here.

I don't see the sexist bent on this. Is it the same as Hillary/Bill/others specualting that Obama could be HER VP? If so, she was being 'sexist' to him.

So far, no proof of Obama's sexism towards Hillary.

Believe me, I KNOW what you are saying, but "these people" feel threatened in the slightest and although you or me may not see it, a euphemistically benign term as "sweetie" to a woman trying to do her job is a "sexist" term to belittle women used by males insecure in their manhood... Yes, it's a stretch--I didn't say it wasn't... But I am telling you from these kind of people, they cling on to everything said...

Now switch it around--if Hillary called a Black woman reporter, "girl" like "gwirrrlll" or a Black male reporter, "boy", some kneegrows would lose they dayum minds.

It's the same thing as saying "nappy headed hoes"... Now, to me, I'd probably think it is a dumb thing to say by a man like Imus and wonder how does Imus know anything about "nappy headed" or "hoes"... Nevertheless, he meant to demean women, especially Black women, intentionally.

Whereas, Obama has to get the sexist label... Because like I said, read the "Isis Papers" and it will explain it fully. PM me if you want to know more, because I am unable to say it here...

[SummerChild]

I agree with you. I think that the nomination was HRC's to lose and ... well, she lost it. Point blank. Her underhanded schemes, off color comments about Obama (which was, at one time, borderline racist) and the lies about dodging bullets, not having a good campaign manager, all that stuff backfired on her.

Really, Obama never talked against HRC when they were running. He moreso focused on the current government status quo and what needed to change. HRC lost it for herself. I think that this is truly the reason that it took her so long to give up. When you shoot yourself in the foot, and you're finally honest with yourself (if not your supporters) about it, well, let's face it - it's a tough pill to swallow.

I think that hardcore HRC fans that will not vote for Obama may do so for several reasons that one could view as legitimate. While I do not agree, they may really believe that Obama is not experienced enough or simply disagree with his politics. The hardcore feminist HRC voters may be so upset and disappointed that a woman got so close and did not win the nomination. Further, they may be channeling their disappointment against Obama b/c, let's face it, he IS a man. They may see him as a representative of the old boys network. Now, as ludicrous as that obviously is as he is not privy to the old boys network, the fact of the matter is that he carried a large percentage of the male Democratic vote. Was that b/c of his politics or b/c men cannot see a woman as president? Who knows. However, hardcore feminist HRC supporters may be angry with Obama for being a man and beating HRC - a woman. It may be as simple as that if it's not the aforementioned political thing.

SC

Originally Posted by mccoyred

Frankly, I believe that Hillary brought a lot of it on herself. She chose poor advisors, allowed her husband to exercise his ego and carried an air of inevitability far into the process.