Alabama Recruitment Prediction (Fall 2008)

[BamaPike]

Originally Posted by Loyally Kappa

Old Row is Colonial Drive ... the newer houses are the next street over.

Houses on Old Row are Phi Mu, Kappa Kappa Gamma, Alpha Chi Omega, Alpha Omicron Pi, and Kappa Alpha Theta.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I thought Alpha Gam was old row and First Circle.

Old Row really is really meaningless as it is a fairly arbritrary designation. Alpha Gam, KD, Tri-Delt, Kappa, ChiO and Phi Mu are considered by most to be "Old Row" with AOPi and Alpha Chi are included quite a bit. This throws location out as these houses are on both streets of sorority row. Also, ADPi, which is the second oldest house on campus, was never considered "Old Row" when I was in school but AOPi, which was one of the newer houses, was. You can probably see why I see it as a fairly arbirtrary designation since age nor location have nothing to do with it.

Clarification: By age, I mean the length of time each chapter has been in existence at Alabama. NOT the age of the physical house.

[AOII BAMA MOM]

Originally Posted by BamaPike

Old Row really is really meaningless as it is a fairly arbritrary designation. Alpha Gam, KD, Tri-Delt, Kappa, ChiO and Phi Mu are considered by most to be "Old Row" with AOPi and Alpha Chi are included quite a bit. This throws location out as these houses are on both streets of sorority row. Also, ADPi, which is the second oldest house on campus, was never considered "Old Row" when I was in school but AOPi, which was one of the newer houses, was. You can probably see why I see it as a fairly arbirtrary designation since age nor location have nothing to do with it.

Clarification: By age, I mean the length of time each chapter has been in existence at Alabama. NOT the age of the physical house.

That is very interesting--I never knew that about AOPi

[UGAalum94]

[shaking my first at the Alabama Panhellenic site]

Well, I've wasted another day hovering on GreekChat waiting for recruitment information. I'm giving up for the day which means the list will be posted in the next ten minutes. [/shaking of fist]

[bamadz]

I was an DZ at UA and Phi Mu was not considered "Old Row" while I was there 95-00. I was always told that they wanted to be considered "Old Row" and that DZ was asked to be apart of the so-called "Old Row" cliche, but refused it.

[estherjb]

Here's the answer I got on last year's Bama thread. There was some debate about who was part of the group. I saw some longer lists and some the same size but with different names.

"As far as old row, I thought at Alabama that included Kappa Kappa Gamma, Kappa Delta, Chi Omega, Tri-Delt, & Alpha Gamma Delta. My hubby reminded me that Alpha Chi Omega & Phi Mu are or were sometimes considered Old Row (back in school when we were both there) as well!

We all jokingly said it was whomever was invited to Lake Party that year. Ha Ha!"

You Bama folks would know what Lake Party is.

[ua70s]

We all jokingly said it was whomever was invited to Lake Party that year. Ha Ha!"

You Bama folks would know what Lake Party is.[/quote]

I do remember what Lake Party is/was!!! Is that showing my age?! Do they still even have that party? Your list of sororities is dead on with the inclusion of the last two at the party....what a memory! They were even listed on the Lake Party t-shirt we all got.

[BamaPike]

Originally Posted by estherjb

Here's the answer I got on last year's Bama thread. There was some debate about who was part of the group. I saw some longer lists and some the same size but with different names.

"As far as old row, I thought at Alabama that included Kappa Kappa Gamma, Kappa Delta, Chi Omega, Tri-Delt, & Alpha Gamma Delta. My hubby reminded me that Alpha Chi Omega & Phi Mu are or were sometimes considered Old Row (back in school when we were both there) as well!

We all jokingly said it was whomever was invited to Lake Party that year. Ha Ha!"

You Bama folks would know what Lake Party is.

I'm a Bama Pike alum, obviously, and we were even in on a couple of the Old Row lake parties and Pikes are definitely not Old Row. However, our new house will be on University Blvd so maybe we'll be asked back.

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by BamaPike

I'm a Bama Pike alum, obviously, and we were even in on a couple of the Old Row lake parties and Pikes are definitely not Old Row. However, our new house will be on University Blvd so maybe we'll be asked back.

Pike's getting a new house?? Congrats! WHERE on University Blvd??

[BamaPike]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna

Pike's getting a new house?? Congrats! WHERE on University Blvd??

Next to the KA house right across from the Music Building. The University Board of Trustees approved it a couple of months ago. Also heard from some Sigma Chi alums that they are considering building a new house.

[BamaPike]

Originally Posted by estherjb

You Bama folks would know what Lake Party is.

I definitely know what a Lake Party is and attended quite a few. Question to the rest of you Bama alums, who actually attended a Lake Party that was actually on a lake?

[peaches321]

Originally Posted by estherjb

Here's the answer I got on last year's Bama thread. There was some debate about who was part of the group. I saw some longer lists and some the same size but with different names.

"As far as old row, I thought at Alabama that included Kappa Kappa Gamma, Kappa Delta, Chi Omega, Tri-Delt, & Alpha Gamma Delta. My hubby reminded me that Alpha Chi Omega & Phi Mu are or were sometimes considered Old Row (back in school when we were both there) as well!

We all jokingly said it was whomever was invited to Lake Party that year. Ha Ha!"

You Bama folks would know what Lake Party is.

Having laundered Old Row t-shirts all summer while my daughter was home, I can confirm that the seven are AXO, Kappa, KD, XO, Phi Mu, DDD, and AGD. That said, I can't rattle off the six frats as quickly.

[Titchou]

I can't locate the bid lsit. Is it up yet? THanks!

[Benzgirl]

Originally Posted by Titchou

I can't locate the bid lsit. Is it up yet? THanks!

No

[Zillini]

Originally Posted by peaches321

This is only my second year having a daughter at Bama, but I'm coming progressively more adept at explaining what happens. Assuming that everyone made recruitment quota- some chapters will have stopped at recruitment quota, some will have taken the opportunity to add those upperclassmen that aren't part of that first number, some will have had quota additions on top of quota, and some will have possibly utilized recruitment to fill in any spots that take them to chapter total. Chapters that reached chapter total by just taking recruitment quota who did not extend bids to upperclassmen will report that recruitment quota as quota, BUT any chapter that had any of the other numbers added in will possibly refer to that new number as quota. At least, until the Real Report comes out.

The important thing is, every one of these new sisters is a part of the fall new member class, and that's what counts. So, depending upon which delirious Bama sister you get to slow down long enough to give you an answer... you'll get a different number.

Originally Posted by peaches321

Many of the houses do not take upperclassmen. You are correct.

Just wanted to correct/clarify some things. The chapters do not have a say in how many women they get through Formal Recruitment nor does Chapter Total have any bearing on this number. Panhellenic attempts to match bids so that the maximum number of PNMs receive bids AND the maximum number of chapters achieve quota.

All chapters who participate in Formal Recruitment are obligated to take Upperclassmen. There is a seperate Upperclassmen quota for them and handled in an identical manner as Freshmen quota. If a chapter misses the Upperclassmen quota they may snap bid another Upperclassmen to achieve it. They may not snap another Freshmen to fill Upperclassmen quota or vice versa. FYI - Panhellenic only reports the Freshmen quota to our I/natls. So from an I/natl statistical standpoint, Upperclassmen are counted as quota additions.

Panhellenic also determines who quota additions are and how many each chapter receives. This is not based on Chapter Total either, rather a continued attempt to place as many PNMs as possible in the chapters which the PNMs preffed yet didn't match. Panhellenic balances them out so that no single chapter receives say 20 quota additions while everyone else gets 0.

Snap bidding only occurs during Formal Recruitment to get up to Quota. After that it is called COB (Continuous Open Bidding) or COR (Continuous Open Recruitment). Chapters that achieved quota through Formal Recruitment yet are still below Chapter Total don't snap up to Total. In "regular" years (for lack of a better word), any chapter that was still below Total could COB/COR right away or throughout the semester/year until they achieved Total. However this year with Alpha Phi's colonization there is a moratorium on COR so that they may recruit without potential competition. (I don't recall the date when the moratorium is lifted.)

Originally Posted by BBelleADPi

Zillini:

From one alum to another, thanks for all the hard work you put into the sorority and this chapter. I know this time of year, especially, is tiring on you and your family. Just want you to know that you are appreciated!

Thank you! I'd also like to thank all alums who contribute their time to their local chapter's Recruitment -- especially the Advisors. I'd also like to thank their families who put up with them being away from home so much. Recruitment is pure insanity with ridicously long hours, especially at a large competitive school like Bama. For the college age girls it's not nearly as big a hardship since this is the only thing going on in their lives. But for the alums who are juggling families, jobs and other real life obligations, it takes a real toll -- physically with the long, crazy hours and emotionally with the intense stress to make sure everything is done perfectly. The world will come to an end if the wrong PNM gets invited/cut.

The earliest I got home on any night was midnight. Those were the nights when it was the first half of a two day round. The latest was 4:30am. Yet I still had to be up everyday at 6:30am to get my kids ready for school. I saw my Hubby long enough each day to say "Hi". I was ready to walk out the door as soon as he got home from work to take care of the kids.