Favre finally calls it quits!!!

[phimu88]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Technically speaking...this thread was first..but I ain't sweating it...LOL...just goes to show my prediction was pretty darn close...but then even Ray Charles could have seen back in March that this fool was gonna come back....LOL

He isnt a fool, just someone who decided he wasnt quite ready for retirement! MANY football players change their minds after they retire and to call a 3 time MVP, superbowl QB, future Hall of Famer a fool is just ridiculous.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by phimu88

He isnt a fool, just someone who decided he wasnt quite ready for retirement! MANY football players change their minds after they retire and to call a 3 time MVP, superbowl QB, future Hall of Famer a fool is just ridiculous.

It IS ridiculous because of what he has pout Green Bay thru these last few years....every year for awhile there has been a Favre watch...will he or won't he....will he or won't he and after awhile it became a beautiful car wreck that is bound to be repeated come next year should this one be a successful one.


And please......since you emphasized "Many"....please make a list....how many players at or near Favre's caliber contemplated retirement or actually retired only to come back?


Hmmmm....let's take a running head start.

Not Jerry Rice, nor John Elway....maybe Joe Montana. Trent Green needed one more concussed season to do him in.....Preist Holmes...nah...doesn't count.

Vinnie T only did it out of need and no one else was available, not out of hubris....

Heck I thought for a moment a long time ago, someone could coax Rich Gannon out because after he left the Raiders SUCKED...and still suck....

Deion Sanders did it so you can put him on your list....

I will let you continue....

[LPIDelta]

Another Green Bay example--Reggie White. Retired and return a few seasons later to play for... the Titans?

This who Favre debacle is just.... ugh. They should have let him come back right away. But since they didn't, he should have been a big boy and buried the hatchet when he did have a chance to return. I mean, wasn't the point in returning to make it to one more Super Bowl? I guess I don't see the Jets as that kind of team (although improved, but not quite ready for prime time).

Just a big ol mess--and as I true Green Bay fan, very disappointing.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by LPIDelta

Another Green Bay example--Reggie White. Retired and return a few seasons later to play for... the Titans?

This who Favre debacle is just.... ugh. They should have let him come back right away. But since they didn't, he should have been a big boy and buried the hatchet when he did have a chance to return. I mean, wasn't the point in returning to make it to one more Super Bowl? I guess I don't see the Jets as that kind of team (although improved, but not quite ready for prime time).

Just a big ol mess--and as I true Green Bay fan, very disappointing.

Actually, it was the Panthers; plus, White is, at the very least, just as well-known for his days in Philly: http://www.nfl.com/players/reggiewhi...e?id=WHI419940

[phimu88]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

It IS ridiculous because of what he has pout Green Bay thru these last few years....every year for awhile there has been a Favre watch...will he or won't he....will he or won't he and after awhile it became a beautiful car wreck that is bound to be repeated come next year should this one be a successful one.


And please......since you emphasized "Many"....please make a list....how many players at or near Favre's caliber contemplated retirement or actually retired only to come back?

....

BTW...

there are very few players at or even near his caliber.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by phimu88

BTW...

there are very few players at or even near his caliber.

that is exactly my point...you learn fast!!!!


When someone of HIS CALIBER decides to leave and come back...it's not good for the person playing that position


See Aaron Rodgers.



Think: What if Joe Montana still wanted to play...well we saw what happened with that...

What if John Elway still wanted to play and kept changing his mind?

And so on....think of what may happen once Peyton starts getting close to ending his career...Colts are gonna have to groom someone other than Jim Sorgi

Think about what happened in New England all those years ago with a then unknown 6th rounder named Brady came in and ran Drew Bledsoe out of town...

When you have guys of that caliber that still wanna play...MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

It IS ridiculous because of what he has pout Green Bay thru these last few years....every year for awhile there has been a Favre watch...will he or won't he....will he or won't he and after awhile it became a beautiful car wreck that is bound to be repeated come next year should this one be a successful one.

Seriously? What did Favre actually "put them" (meaning the front office) through?

The team has to draw up two contingency plans, sure - one with Favre and one without. That is not exactly rocket science. All the cap issues are the same, there isn't any real downside (two NFL-caliber starters is a "problem" anyone would love to have), and the team had every opportunity to sign a new starter to take his place and make the whole thing moot from 2004 to today.

His teammates don't care - see Al Harris's "I'm a captain, and I speak for the team - we'd welcome him back with open arms" speech - and the "media circus" lasts, what, 3 weeks during training camp? Seriously. Camp. Not even the voluntary offseason activities, that are way more important for implementing a system.

Add to this the exceptional amount of money and prestige that Favre has brought to the organization, and the front office comes out WAY on top in this deal, regardless of the "will he/won't he" thing. Indeed, the same thing that made him a great quarterback makes it hard for him to retire.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Seriously? What did Favre actually "put them" (meaning the front office) through?

The team has to draw up two contingency plans, sure - one with Favre and one without. That is not exactly rocket science. All the cap issues are the same, there isn't any real downside (two NFL-caliber starters is a "problem" anyone would love to have), and the team had every opportunity to sign a new starter to take his place and make the whole thing moot from 2004 to today.

His teammates don't care - see Al Harris's "I'm a captain, and I speak for the team - we'd welcome him back with open arms" speech - and the "media circus" lasts, what, 3 weeks during training camp? Seriously. Camp. Not even the voluntary offseason activities, that are way more important for implementing a system.

Add to this the exceptional amount of money and prestige that Favre has brought to the organization, and the front office comes out WAY on top in this deal, regardless of the "will he/won't he" thing. Indeed, the same thing that made him a great quarterback makes it hard for him to retire.

Looks like they finally wised up this year and went with the "without Favre " Plan eh?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Looks like they finally wised up this year and went with the "without Favre " Plan eh?

Yeah - and they went 13-3 last year with the "other" plan, and will be insanely lucky to go 8-8 this year with the "without" plan.

So yeah - is the "circus" worth FIVE wins?

[DaemonSeid]

It would have been worth it 3 or 4 years ago.....think about it....how many playoffs and Super Bowls has Favre gotten them to every since the R word started getting tossed around? If Last season was like the 06 season, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.


Since their last Super Bowl in 97...... 5 or 6 playoff appearances and MOST of those are Wild Card wins.....

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

It would have been worth it 3 or 4 years ago.....think about it....how many playoffs and Super Bowls has Favre gotten them to every since the R word started getting tossed around? If Last season was like the 06 season, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

Since their last Super Bowl in 97...... 5 or 6 playoff appearances and MOST of those are Wild Card wins.....

The '06 season only matters because it shows that he was correct to return in '07 in spite of front office pressure.

Favre is an aging, somewhat overrated but still Hall of Fame-caliber QB, while Aaron Rogers has put up middling (and largely meaningless) numbers when he's worn his helmet. Unless you think getting those snaps would have reversed Aaron Rogers' fortunes (which even the GB front office seemed to disagree with up until this season), I simply can't imagine what argument you're really trying to make.

There is probably a <10% chance that Aaron Rogers EVER has a season like Favre's 2007, not to mention the 4000 yd/30 TD season he put up in 2004, when you think he should have retired the first time.

Green Bay is clearly building for a Favre-less future - but they're so convinced that Aaron Rogers will lead that future that they drafted Brian Brohm just a couple of months ago. This is only a detriment for the FO because they made it one themselves - putting this on Favre is short-sighted and foolish.

[phimu88]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Looks like they finally wised up this year and went with the "without Favre " Plan eh?

We'll see how "wise" they are when they finish the season 4-12 hahahaha
sorry I havent had a chance to do any digging for that list, but whatever, you retired from this thread right hahaha or have you unretired again?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by phimu88

We'll see how "wise" they are when they finish the season 4-12 hahahaha
sorry I havent had a chance to do any digging for that list, but whatever, you retired from this thread right hahaha or have you unretired again?

I havent made up my mind yet....LOL

Hey...better to go 4 - 12 w/o favre than that have a disgruntled favre and do the same.