Obama effectively clinches nomination

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Would you still think laws should be subjective, if the law was not in your favor, basically.

Laws ARE subjective, and no, I'm not in favor of them when they disagree with my interpretations. Perhaps I can think of laws which I dislike but still think are important, but then my favor has changed. Or perhaps some public referendum that I disagree with, but personally wouldn't overturn because the people have made that decision.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Laws ARE subjective, and no, I'm not in favor of them when they disagree with my interpretations. Perhaps I can think of laws which I dislike but still think are important, but then my favor has changed. Or perhaps some public referendum that I disagree with, but personally wouldn't overturn because the people have made that decision.

Well...people have made the decision that abortions are a woman's choice, you seem to be trying to overturn that.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Well...people have made the decision that abortions are a woman's choice, you seem to be trying to overturn that.

Uhhhh . . . yeah, I think that's exactly what is going on.

I mean, "people have made a decision" is the silliest justification in the world, and the whole point of having a malleable and legislative code of laws is to, y'know, change them when they suck.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Well...people have made the decision that abortions are a woman's choice, you seem to be trying to overturn that.

When did people decide this? Oh, they didn't. Now, polling indicates that this might happen, but who knows.

Also, I noted that me standing by the people's decision is a strong possibility, but not a certainty. If Americans suddenly decided to legalize something I think is absolutely wrong (subjective because it is my view, but absolute from my perspective), like rape or murder, I certainly wouldn't be able to yield to that opinion.

Further, there is a difference in trying to change the law by changing public opinion, and overturning the will of the public. I'm not sure what I'd do if the abortion decision came down to me and the public broadly supported the practice.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

When did people decide this? Oh, they didn't. Now, polling indicates that this might happen, but who knows.

yes they did

they voted for the president elected by electoral college who put the Justices on the bench who interpreted the law.

Most people support a woman's right to choose. The only reason partial birth pratices are widely banned is because of the lies spread about them.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

yes they did

they voted for the president elected by electoral college who put the Justices on the bench who interpreted the law.

Most people support a woman's right to choose. The only reason partial birth pratices are widely banned is because of the lies spread about them.

A) Uh, ok. You've just combined the legislative and judicial branches, so I guess separation of powers is forever lost. Can we overturn Planned Parenthood v. Casey because most Americans voted for a conservative in 1988, and thus wanted a conservative appointed in 1990 (Souter)?

B) Yes, the lies spread about them. Abortion is accepted because it should be, but partial birth abortion is overwhelmingly condemned because of all those lies. Strong argument.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

A) Uh, ok. You've just combined the legislative and judicial branches, so I guess separation of powers is forever lost. Can we overturn Planned Parenthood v. Casey because most Americans voted for a conservative in 1988, and thus wanted a conservative appointed in 1990 (Souter)?

B) Yes, the lies spread about them. Abortion is accepted because it should be, but partial birth abortion is overwhelmingly condemned because of all those lies. Strong argument.

Don't forget that a Republican president nominated that hero of conservatism, Justice Stevens...

Also as to some of RU OX Alum's earlier points, and maybe I'm remembering things incorrectly, but neither Roe nor Casey made it ok to have abortions in every circumstance. There are still times when the legislature can step in where state interests are paramount. Granted, they are limited circumstances, but it's not always simply up to a woman's choice.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

This video shows how it's just plain ridiculous to even consider Barack Obama.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

SEC-Do you really believe everything in that video?
Or do you just wish it was all true?
As we have seen all too many times, it is rather easy to make propaganda movies with a very clear bent to them.
And in this day and age very easy to get them out to see.
Which makes it even harder to counter, let alone stop.
Once this sort of stuff gets out, people remember it rather than the follow-up counters.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Well...people have made the decision that abortions are a woman's choice, you seem to be trying to overturn that.

put the chronic away and take a breather

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

put the chronic away and take a breather

This made me LOL.