Obama effectively clinches nomination

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

All laws are subjective, and because I believe in a society with laws, my answer is yes.

So, if the law were reversed, and abortions were required in 9 out of 10 cases, would you still believe that? Or only this time because you agree with the subjectivity of the subject law?

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

So, if the law were reversed, and abortions were required in 9 out of 10 cases, would you still believe that? Or only this time because you agree with the subjectivity of the subject law?

Would I still believe what?

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Would I still believe what?

I'm having a hard time following, but what I *think* he was posing was, if abortion were made illegal to the extent that it couldn't just "be birth control", as you said, and only allowed in situations it was deemed necessary, if in 9 out of 10 cases it was determined abortion was absolutely "necessary", would you then still believe in the law that allowed abortion in those cases?

I think, anyway, I actually just confused myself typing it a little... maybe he'll come back and clarify.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Would I still believe what?

Would you still think laws should be subjective, if the law was not in your favor, basically.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Would you still think laws should be subjective, if the law was not in your favor, basically.

Laws ARE subjective, and no, I'm not in favor of them when they disagree with my interpretations. Perhaps I can think of laws which I dislike but still think are important, but then my favor has changed. Or perhaps some public referendum that I disagree with, but personally wouldn't overturn because the people have made that decision.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Laws ARE subjective, and no, I'm not in favor of them when they disagree with my interpretations. Perhaps I can think of laws which I dislike but still think are important, but then my favor has changed. Or perhaps some public referendum that I disagree with, but personally wouldn't overturn because the people have made that decision.

Well...people have made the decision that abortions are a woman's choice, you seem to be trying to overturn that.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Well...people have made the decision that abortions are a woman's choice, you seem to be trying to overturn that.

Uhhhh . . . yeah, I think that's exactly what is going on.

I mean, "people have made a decision" is the silliest justification in the world, and the whole point of having a malleable and legislative code of laws is to, y'know, change them when they suck.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Well...people have made the decision that abortions are a woman's choice, you seem to be trying to overturn that.

When did people decide this? Oh, they didn't. Now, polling indicates that this might happen, but who knows.

Also, I noted that me standing by the people's decision is a strong possibility, but not a certainty. If Americans suddenly decided to legalize something I think is absolutely wrong (subjective because it is my view, but absolute from my perspective), like rape or murder, I certainly wouldn't be able to yield to that opinion.

Further, there is a difference in trying to change the law by changing public opinion, and overturning the will of the public. I'm not sure what I'd do if the abortion decision came down to me and the public broadly supported the practice.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

When did people decide this? Oh, they didn't. Now, polling indicates that this might happen, but who knows.

yes they did

they voted for the president elected by electoral college who put the Justices on the bench who interpreted the law.

Most people support a woman's right to choose. The only reason partial birth pratices are widely banned is because of the lies spread about them.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Well...people have made the decision that abortions are a woman's choice, you seem to be trying to overturn that.

put the chronic away and take a breather

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

put the chronic away and take a breather

This made me LOL.