Blacks that rush NPC

[alphagamgirl06]

I think the original comment about African Americans who join NPC sororities are being judge by other African American students wasn't specifically directed to members of NPHC members. I think it is more of the other students in that community who don't understand Greek life who pass judgment.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Undergraduates who are members of NPHC Sororities are bombarded with questions by their supervising graduate chapter and alumnae members to explain why little interest on their campi. Why would a nice African American college aged woman NOT want to be interested in XYZ NPHC sorority? We have scholarships, internships, specialized programs in their majors--WTH is wrong with you all? Apparently, that anger and frustration is transferred to non-members.

Now you have said like three times that you don't care if an African American woman joins NPC sorority, but obviously you do since you keep saying things like "WTH is wrong with you all". I am sure they understand how wonderful your GLO is but there was something about it that didn't seal the deal. It could the size of the organization or just the personalities of the members. Who knows what that thing is but I don't think it is meant for anyone to understand their decision but them.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

How well has your GLO outreached to ANY NPHC Sorority?

My schools Greek system has tried numerous time to reach out to the one NPHC sorority on our campus. Panhellenic sent them two dozen roses to tell them good luck with recruitment, we have invited them to participate in our all Greek tailgate, We asked them to participate in Greek Week, We made sure to have representatives from the sororities at their campus wide events to show them support. I know my chapter made it a requirement to go to their probate because they are Greek just like us and we should all support each other in some form or fashion. BUT they didn't come to the tailgate and they didn't participate in Greek Week. So my question for you is how has your GLO outreached to any NPC sororities?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

You may not, and I'm sure most of the more older and mature graduate members of NPHC orgs may not, but we all know that attitudes are different in the undergraduate level.

My school probably has the most diverse IFC/NPC membership of any school, and yet my Black grand-big sister has had instances where she has been treated condescendingly by NPHC sorority members when they discover she belongs to an NPC sorority.

Some people need to stop living in this Utopian GC world where everyone accepts everyone and everyone gets along, because that is not the case in real life.

Eh...there is no Utopian GC world. AKA Monet is talking about something much greater than what you're talking about. And the greater point resonates with both undergraduate and graduate NPHC members. Not all but enough for there to be a greater point.

Yes, there are undergraduate NPHCers who give blacks in the NPC a raised eyebrow. I was one of them years ago (and I give them a raised eyebrow now) because of the intolerant climate on my campus, and others, and the reputation of some of the fraternities on campus. The 2 black men in HWGLOs on my campus were told they were "different" and we couldn't understand why anyone would want to be in a chapter where they are being validated as being "different (from the rest of the blacks that these dudes knew)." The two black guys in the 2 fraternities were cool as hell (one of them had an Omega father) and they learned not to separate themselves from the other blacks, just because they were feeling like they had to be "different." There were no NPHC frats chartered on the campus, anyway, and they chose not to pursue membership through another chapter---who cares? We didn't ask them about their fraternity and they never shared info--we just wanted to connect on a people level with men who were really not "different" when they realized that they weren't under the scrutiny of their fraternity brothers when they were around us.

The one black girl in an NPC sorority on campus was received a certain way because she was afraid to talk to black people. We continuously tried to engage her because we knew she was probably a very nice person. One day we asked her about her experience (this was probably before we were in NPHC orgs ourselves) and she cheerfully (always cheerful because she's such a sweetheart) confessed that she wasn't used to being around black people. She's the nicest person in the world and her heart was always in the right place.

My problem: If you want to pursue a nonNPHC organization, most of us at the undergrad and grad level TRULY don't give a damn beyond making the initial observation. But if you're doing it because you've been touted as "different," because you're not used to be around blacks, or are afraid of blacks then YES people will respond to you accordingly. That's not about being in the NPC or IFC, that's about YOU.

And for blacks in the NPC who say they don't have to explain themselves or they did what makes them happy and seek no validation, I beg to differ in many cases.

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

My problem: If you want to pursue a nonNPHC organization, most of us at the undergrad and grad level TRULY don't give a damn beyond making the initial observation. But if you're doing it because you've been touted as "different," because you're not used to be around blacks, or are afraid of blacks then YES people will respond to you accordingly. That's not about being in the NPC or IFC, that's about YOU.

So, you would raise an eyebrow at Molly Minority because she was raised in a predominantly White neighborhood, went to predominantly White schools, had mostly White friends, and decided to join ABC NPC org?

Look, I think the mission and purpose of NPHC orgs are great in addition to the reason as to why they were founded. But sometimes I feel as if though members get so caught up in "We do so much for the AfAm community! Why do some Black girls go NPC?!?!" (AKAMonet) that they fail to remember that the FUNDAMENTAL purpose of ANY fraternity or sorority is to feel at home and find YOUR brotherhood/sisterhood.

How can Molly Minority be successful in XYZ NPHC org if her heart isn't in it?

[tld221]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

So, you would raise an eyebrow at Molly Minority because she was raised in a predominantly White neighborhood, went to predominantly White schools, had mostly White friends, and decided to join ABC NPC org?

Look, I think the mission and purpose of NPHC orgs are great in addition to the reason as to why they were founded. But sometimes I feel as if though members get so caught up in "We do so much for the AfAm community! Why do some Black girls go NPC?!?!" (AKAMonet) that they fail to remember that the FUNDAMENTAL purpose of ANY fraternity or sorority is to feel at home and find YOUR brotherhood/sisterhood.

How can Molly Minority be successful in XYZ NPHC org if her heart isn't in it?

I can agree with this. Anytime an interest gives me spiel about "wanting to give back to the community" and what not, i tell them to go join NAACP or NCNW. Yes, we are service organizations but we serve social outlets just as much. Playing up too much on one or the other can be a turn off for potential members.

Such as the case at a Greek 101 i attended. One NPHC sorority, every time she answered a question from the audience, always brought it back to how much of a "business" the organization is and that the fun aspects dont matter if the business isnt right, etc. even as the event ended, this chapter's table only displayed the business side of their accomplishments - awards received, pictures with politicians, and some scant pamphlets. There was no chit-chat, it was so no-nonsense. Some of those girls left looking a little let-down.

When youre talking to a room full of undergraduates, that can be a little daunting. Of course they have to know that our organizations require work and obligations, but they have to also know that they are going to enjoy it too.

ETA: i personally dont mind if Molly Minority joins an NPC. for some, the research and all that jazz isnt that deep. they want their sisterhood, they want their parties, and they want it their first week of their freshman year. whatever works for you Molly. some folks dont have time or patience to be waiting on XYZ to come back to campus. and who are we to judge, regardless of the status of OUR chapter membership?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by tld221

ETA: i personally dont mind if Molly Minority joins an NPC. for some, the research and all that jazz isnt that deep. they want their sisterhood, they want their parties, and they want it their first week of their freshman year. whatever works for you Molly. some folks dont have time or patience to be waiting on XYZ to come back to campus. and who are we to judge, regardless of the status of OUR chapter membership?

Haha...the bolded in the context of the unbolded is like smiling while you slap the crap out of someone.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

So, you would raise an eyebrow at Molly Minority because she was raised in a predominantly White neighborhood, went to predominantly White schools, had mostly White friends, and decided to join ABC NPC org?

What do "predominantly" and "mostly" mean as it relates to not being used to being around black people or not being able to relate to black people?

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

What do "predominantly" and "mostly" mean as it relates to not being used to being around black people or not being able to relate to black people?

Meaning.... she grew up with limited exposure to AfAm culture, never really hung out with any other black girls, had little to nothing in common with other black people, etc.

ETA: And consequently would not feel at home in an NPHC sorority.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Now, hey, none of the NPHC women care if Black woman joins a different organization. So what is it to us? We do get membership requests to join by women at the graduate level and when we background check them and determined they have joined a different organization, we have to deny them membership. At the undergraduate level, we are almost getting to the point to saying that if that is what homegirl wanted, then good luck!

We also get membership requests from many black women before and after they rush (successfully and unsuccessfully) an NPC org.

Just as there are blacks who pursue a certain NPHC org because another NPHC org isn't on the yard--and they sometimes think they can transfer membership when the other org comes back--there are blacks who pursue non-NPHC orgs for the same reason.

[Tom Earp]

I just wonder why some Blacks are so anti for joining so called white GLOs?

It seems that there is more racism from Blacks than Whites when it comes to these situations.

If you do not walk in those persons shoes, who are any to belittle them?

They as an individual make their choices, not any of the posters who may want to act snide about it!

People will go to where they feel at ease not because of color.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

I just wonder why some Blacks are so anti for joining so called white GLOs?

It seems that there is more racism from Blacks than Whites when it comes to these situations.

If you do not walk in those persons shoes, who are any to belittle them?

They as an individual make their choices, not any of the posters who may want to act snide about it!

People will go to where they feel at ease not because of color.

I just wonder why some Whites are so anti for joining so called black GLOs?

It seems that there is more racism from Whites than Blacks when it comes to these situations.

If you do not walk in those persons shoes, who are any to belittle them?

They as an individual make their choices, not any of the posters who may want to act snide about it!

People will go to where they feel at ease not because of color.

Get my point?!

[starang21]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I just wonder why some Whites are so anti for joining so called black GLOs?

It seems that there is more racism from Whites than Blacks when it comes to these situations.

If you do not walk in those persons shoes, who are any to belittle them?

They as an individual make their choices, not any of the posters who may want to act snide about it!

People will go to where they feel at ease not because of color.

Get my point?!

what are you talking about?

i don't get it.

what's really going on?

hey, did someone see that flying saucer?

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by starang21

what are you talking about?

i don't get it.

what's really going on?

hey, did someone see that flying saucer?

My point was that the words of Tom Earp can easily be flipped around and it would not make sense because it doesn't make sense. Does that make sense?

Now, Why did I have to explain that to you???

[RaggedyAnn]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I just wonder why some Whites are so anti for joining so called black GLOs?

It seems that there is more racism from Whites than Blacks when it comes to these situations.

If you do not walk in those persons shoes, who are any to belittle them?

They as an individual make their choices, not any of the posters who may want to act snide about it!

People will go to where they feel at ease not because of color.

Get my point?!

OK, I have to interject here. We did have an NPHC sorority on my campus. They were part of Panhellenic Council and had vote on sorority campus affairs (and, the service sorority did not) When rush came along, the NPHC chapter participated in the first day. It was 10 minutes of talking with each chapter on campus. When I moved to the NPHC group, I said hello and asked about the sorority. (Keep in mind I knew very little about Greek life and did not know what was the difference between any of the chapters.) The member of the NPHC GLO said I had to be black to join their organization. I responded, oh, can you tell me a little about your org since I have to be here for the next 10 minutes anyway? I sincerely was curious. She said no and the members ignored all of the rushees that were standing there.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

It seems that there is more racism from Blacks than Whites when it comes to these situations.

Did your black friends tell you this?

(Racism of blacks against blacks who pursue NPC orgs? )