Kappa Beta Gamma/Kappa Delta

Katydid617 · #1 05-14-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BootyKBG

Nu initially began asking for items that we simply couldn't or wouldn't supply, such as buying them a house. We had 5 chapters with extremely low dues compared to many NPC sororities, and because of this that is something that constitutionally we just don't provide. After much discussion the chapter decided that buying "stuff they could find their letters on" was more important that honoring their history and the support that KBG had provided up til that time, including the efforts of re-recognition by campus.

I agree with nittanyalum as buying "stuff they could find their letters on" is as far from the truth as humanly possible and it is unfair to say that. That had absolutely no bearing on the decision. It is quite easy to get these things now a days as evidenced by the plethora of websites offering these services. The F & M chapter also never asked KBG for a house as per F & M policy the college provides houses to all greek organizations. The chapter absolutely asked for assistance on a variety of matters, but a house was never asked for. Also as a side not, the National Dues paid to KBG are more expensive then then National dues the women of F & M pay to KD.

The women of F & M have always appreciated the efforts of KBG during our re-recognition time and we will continue to appreciate it. As previously mentioned we grew apart and in the end I think the best decision for both groups was made. It has been a goal for the women of F & M to include KBG in our New Member Education program as it is part of our history and will always remain so. A strong appeal of KD was their willingness to allow the women of F & M to continue to educate its new members on our KBG history.

As has been previously mentioned, the F & M situation happened above the table as NPC was in contact with KBG Nationals (I was present for the conversations) and I do not understand what else there is to be discussing specific to this situation. I am sorry, but I am not comfortable with my chapter and my sisters being unfairly insulted on the internet.

nittanyalum · #2 05-14-2008, 03:55 PM

Sorry, but I had to LOL at the competing Est. dates in the signatures now...

BootyKBG · #3 05-14-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Katydid617

I agree with nittanyalum as buying "stuff they could find their letters on" is as far from the truth as humanly possible and it is unfair to say that. That had absolutely no bearing on the decision. It is quite easy to get these things now a days as evidenced by the plethora of websites offering these services. The F & M chapter also never asked KBG for a house as per F & M policy the college provides houses to all greek organizations. The chapter absolutely asked for assistance on a variety of matters, but a house was never asked for. Also as a side not, the National Dues paid to KBG are more expensive then then National dues the women of F & M pay to KD.

I would send you a PM, but it doesn't look like you have that option.

I served as the national advisor for the chapter, and in fact I'm pretty sure I remember meeting you during my chapter visit last October I believe it is. The truth of the matter is that yes, both of these items were repeatedly brought up to us. No, they were not the only concern, and no, I'm not trying to bash your women.

As far as disaffiliation, there are several steps that were never met and Jenna has not responded to contacts made by our secretary. As I said before, yes, I understand and respect the reasons for the break, but my problem is with the disrespect toward Kappa Beta Gamma in the refusal to follow our own protocol as well as the disrespect from NPC as mentioned before. Its these issues that I'm trying to address.

ForeverRoses · #4 05-14-2008, 04:22 PM

Slightly off the current topic, but in respect to the women that were initiated into KBG and have now been initiated into KD or KKG, were their memberships is KBG revoked? I know the chapters (should) have asked to disaffiliate, but what about the individual members? I assume they are no longer considered members in good standing? And what about the alumnae?

FSUZeta · #5 05-14-2008, 07:06 PM

wouldn't the alumnae still be considered alumnae, much like our own members who were initiated into a chapter that has closed(for whatever reason)?

33girl · #6 05-15-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta

wouldn't the alumnae still be considered alumnae, much like our own members who were initiated into a chapter that has closed(for whatever reason)?

As far as the alumnae who are out of school, I don't know why they wouldn't be considered alumnae. They are not responsible for the actions of the actives.

With regard to the actives though - if they disaffiliated, either as part of a group or individually, I don't think they would be alumnae any more than anyone else who disaffiliates/self-terminates from her sorority.

FSUZeta · #7 05-15-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

As far as the alumnae who are out of school, I don't know why they wouldn't be considered alumnae. They are not responsible for the actions of the actives.

With regard to the actives though - if they disaffiliated, either as part of a group or individually, I don't think they would be alumnae any more than anyone else who disaffiliates/self-terminates from her sorority.

well said. that is what i was trying to say, but you said it better.

33girl · #8 05-15-2008, 01:26 PM

OK, I was totally giving yinz the benefit of the doubt, but truthfully? The more you post, the less I do.

You guys go to F & M. It's a well respected institution, not Wilma Boyd Travel School. Its students are intelligent. They did not just get off turnip trucks. They can compare and reason.

When you compared KBG's website to some of the NPC groups - did you not see a difference? Did you not compare their resources offered - and the dues you would have to pay - with some of your other friends that were in sororities?

Honestly, what did you think it was going to be like?

Maybe your founders/alumnae made a bad choice to begin with, but if you want sympathy because "this group is so much different from what they promised when we were colonizing!" you are certainly not alone in that respect. It's happened to people who colonized with NPCs too. And if you had attempted to do what you did if your first group had been an NPC, no other NPC would have touched you with a 10 foot pole.

nate2512 · #9 05-14-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Katydid617

Also as a side not, the National Dues paid to KBG are more expensive then then National dues the women of F & M pay to KD.

Hmm...the guy in the fraternity got something right. Go Figure.

texas*princess · #10 05-14-2008, 08:04 PM

I haven't read this thread in awhile, but I've got to say it def. is a lot more interesting now than it was when I was looking up KBG on their website.

For those who were telling me "NPCs absorb locals all the time" Yes, you're right, they do. But those are LOCAL sororities. Meaning they are the one and only chapter of that sorority.

Not CHAPTERS of an already established sorority no matter how many or how little chapters that sorority has.

I think the fact that it sounds like they didn't even bother to deal with the disaffiliation process is also interesting.