Gays in fraternites (pt. 2)

[TrojanWoman]

Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer

You'd have to elaborate, it was not my intent to use a "legal" analogy whatever that may be. I was just trying to use an obvious and graphic analogy.

I think the problem that Jon was pointing out with your analogy is if heterosexual men applied for a street permit to put on a "BDSM" parade and were granted said permit, they could parade down the streets in that gear without getting arrested. My guess is this yearly parade in Atlanta that you refer to is permitted and sanctioned by the city.

Stepping back out of the arguement now

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by CountryClub

Also, that comment was made by PledgeTrainer not myself.

And you inserted yourself. The three of you are probably cronies if not the same person, anyway.

Originally Posted by CountryClub

However, I believe that this country should be comprised of Christian men and women who work hard and are constantly trying to better themselves. Sadly, this couldn't be further from the truth. In reality, this country is full people who claim to be Christians yet mock God, lazy people who are able-bodied but decide to collect welfare and have children instead, and people who constantly complain about the state of the country, yet offer no service of their own and expect others to fix it.

So this country's culture = ????????

This isn't an "add religion and stir" question.

[Pledgetrainer]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Fine. This country's culture is one of moral decay. We have an overwhelming sense of entitlement (which isn't always a bad thing, only when it's undeserved). Everyone expects special treatment and that there will always be someone there to provide a safety net when they ruin their lives by their own idiotic choices. Specific groups in this country have carried themselves in a way where they go through life looking for things to be offended by and then demand that they be compensated for and apologized to for something that was never intended to be offensive. Because of that people are scared to speak their minds and go about biting their tongues, further worsening our country because no one has the balls to point out the obvious problems.

Perfect.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Fine. This country's culture is one of moral decay.

This is crap. Anyone who can state this so definitively does not have an accurate sense of history.

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

We have an overwhelming sense of entitlement (which isn't always a bad thing, only when it's undeserved). Everyone expects special treatment and that there will always be someone there to provide a safety net when they ruin their lives by their own idiotic choices.

I found that to be especially true for the extremely privileged white youth that I have taught.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Fine. This country's culture is one of moral decay. We have an overwhelming sense of entitlement (which isn't always a bad thing, only when it's undeserved). Everyone expects special treatment and that there will always be someone there to provide a safety net when they ruin their lives by their own idiotic choices. Specific groups in this country have carried themselves in a way where they go through life looking for things to be offended by and then demand that they be compensated for and apologized to for something that was never intended to be offensive. Because of that people are scared to speak their minds and go about biting their tongues, further worsening our country because no one has the balls to point out the obvious problems.

Is this what this country's culture is or are you all operating from a limited understanding of what culture entails?

I'm asking what this country's culture is. What is the culture that people are trying so hard to salvage? Obviously the concept of culture is more complex than some of you assumed that it is because getting this question answered is like pulling teeth.

[Pledgetrainer]

Originally Posted by TrojanWoman

I think the problem that Jon was pointing out with your analogy is if heterosexual men applied for a street permit to put on a "BDSM" parade and were granted said permit, they could parade down the streets in that gear without getting arrested. My guess is this yearly parade in Atlanta that you refer to is permitted and sanctioned by the city.

Stepping back out of the arguement now

I get that, but they would not be granted the permit. No way in hell. It's one step short of public porn and sets back gay rights every time they do it.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Little32

I found that to be especially true for the extremely privileged white youth that I have taught.

That's okay, though, because these white youth obviously come from a background of blue blooded hardworking whites who earned their social statuses.

Not to make this discussion about race but it has become about minority group status. What these posters are typing has gone way beyond fraternity membership and homosexuals as a minority (in power and status) group. To discuss entitlement and welfare is obviously not about homosexuals.

[Little32]

Yeah and I sort of fell for it this time, but these guys are full of crap.

/end hijack.

[Pledgetrainer]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Is this what this country's culture is or are you all operating from a limited understanding of what culture entails?

I'm asking what this country's culture is. What is the culture that people are trying so hard to salvage? Obviously the concept of culture is more complex than some of you assumed that it is because getting this question answered is like pulling teeth.

What culture entails could fill a 50,000 page book. He pointed out the relevant parts. Try adding something to the discussion for once.

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by Little32

This is crap. Anyone who can state this so definitively does not have an accurate sense of history.



I found that to be especially true for the extremely privileged white youth that I have taught.

You live in a capitalist society sweetheart, you ARE entitled to anything you can afford to buy.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer

I get that, but they would not be granted the permit. No way in hell. It's one step short of public porn and sets back gay rights every time they do it.

I get what you're saying. But beyond the legality of it all, the perception of its immorality isn't limited to heterosexuals, Christians (or even Southerners). When people ssume that only certain groups have a sense of morality, that's when you are getting into dangerous territory.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer

I get that, but they would not be granted the permit. No way in hell. It's one step short of public porn and sets back gay rights every time they do it.

PT-Yes, they would get one.
Happens in more than just one city every year.
And in some cities, some people can march and even hold protests without permits. But that is part of a whole other thread

[Little32]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

You live in a capitalist society, you ARE entitled to anything you can afford to buy.

You are not entitled to an A in my class because of the tuition that your parents are paying dude. Again, you guys are full of crap and save that sweetheart crap for your mama.

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

That's okay, though, because these white youth obviously come from a background of blue blooded hardworking whites who earned their social statuses.

Not to make this discussion about race but it has become about minority group status. What these posters are typing has gone way beyond fraternity membership and homosexuals as a minority (in power and status) group. To discuss entitlement and welfare is obviously not about homosexuals.

Surprise, surprise. We got where I figured we were going all along. Ask what I think is wrong with today's society, I give you my honest answer (which wasn't intended to offend anyone, the problems are widespread across all races), and then you get offended and self-righteous.

Ladies and gentleman, I give you People's Exhibit A.

[Pledgetrainer]

Originally Posted by Little32

Yeah and I sort of fell for it this time, but these guys are full of crap.

/end hijack.

You basically came in and said we're priviledged, we're white, therefore we're wrong. The end.
What a useless teacher you must have been.