The State of.... South Florida??

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

I'm a 3rd generation South Floridian (my great grandmother moved hear in 1923) and I think there needs to be some kind of legislation that makes English the official language. People who work in customer service should be able to speak at least functional English but other than that I love South Florida. We've go great beaches, great weather, fresh air, art, music, culture, intelligent mostly liberal inhabitants, and diversity (which contrary to some of your statments is a good thing). However, compare that with our poor public education system, high homeowners insurance, and more impoverished areas and it's clear that we're getting the short end of the stick.

I've lived in North Florida (Tallahassee) and their concerns are NOT our concerns. WE make the money from tourism, large airports, & sales taxes, etc. and Republicans from areas like Apopka, Immokalee, Gainesville, Tallahassee, and even some Miami representatives (misinformed Cuban Americans who vote against their own best interests) vote against OUR interests. You North Florida inhabitants think you're so Southern. News flash The heart of Dixie doesn't accept you and they never will. If you want to be a rebel move your azzes up to Alabama or South Carolina.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

I'm a 3rd generation South Floridian (my great grandmother moved hear in 1923) and I think there needs to be some kind of legislation that makes English the official language. People who work in customer service should be able to speak at least functional English but other than that I love South Florida. We've go great beaches, great weather, fresh air, art, music, culture, intelligent mostly liberal inhabitants, and diversity (which contrary to some of your statments is a good thing). However, compare that with our poor public education system, high homeowners insurance, and more impoverished areas and it's clear that we're getting the short end of the stick.

I've lived in North Florida (Tallahassee) and their concerns are NOT our concerns. WE make the money from tourism, large airports, & sales taxes, etc. and Republicans from areas like Apopka, Immokalee, Gainesville, Tallahassee, and even some Miami representatives (misinformed Cuban Americans who vote against their own best interests) vote against OUR interests. You North Florida inhabitants think you're so Southern. News flash The heart of Dixie doesn't accept you and they never will. If you want to be a rebel move your azzes up to Alabama or South Carolina.

intelligent? LOL. please. miami is one of the dumbest cities in the union.

[BabyPiNK_FL]

Like we've been saying-if we could keep our money here-we could GREATLY improve our educational and poverty situations. That would highly increase the levels of those who perform better in schools.

Also, don't tell me there aren't kids in backwoods everywhere in your beloved "South" who can't tell a text book from a Bible and can read neither.

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Originally Posted by starang21

intelligent? LOL. please. miami is one of the dumbest cities in the union.

*Hijack*
The Union? Are we in the 1800s. You're talking about education? As far as I know the South lost and as far as I still know the entire state of Florida is not considered apart of the old South and rarely categorized as the deep south.

PhiGam
starang21

I reckon y'all should go on over yonder to that there library and get y'all selves sumthin to read. One of them new fangled Yankee history books should set ya up jus' right. Go on an' grab them bulls by the horns and go on an open one of those there books. Y'all are sum real good ole boys. It's either that or head on over to Alabama or Mississippi where the South shall rise again! Thank ya kindly and bless your hearts.
*End Hijack*

Now tuning in to our regularly scheduled program. Thanks to everyone else who responded. There are obviously some points that North & South Florida can learn about each other, i.e. Emerald coast & which industries & locations contribute what to state revenue.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

*Hijack*
The Union? Are we in the 1800s.

So I guess the President and the Congress should stop calling that speech in January the State of the Union Address?

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

So I guess the President and the Congress should stop calling that speech in January the State of the Union Address?

Yes this is exactly what I think should happen! Thanks for pointing that mind blowing fact out! I guess I shouldn't assume that you understood the context of the conversation & that starang usage of the term Union was a reference to the Civil War (i.e the opposition between mostly northern & southern states). The similarity between the Union (when referring to the Civil War) & an annual speech the president makes now is nonexistent and to pretend that the connotation means the same thing is simplistic.

The State of the Union:
For many years, the speech was referred to as "the President's Annual Message to Congress." The actual term "State of the Union" did not become widely used until after 1935 when Franklin D. Roosevelt began using the phrase.

The Union:
During the American Civil War, Union was a name used to refer to the twenty-three states of the United States which were not part of the seceding Confederacy. Although the Union states included the Western states of California, Oregon, and (after 1864) Nevada, as well as states generally considered to be part of the Midwest, the Union is also often loosely referred to as "the North", both then and now.

See the difference, now?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

See the difference, now?

No. I guess I must be dumber than a door post, because even after re-reading all of starang's posts in this thread three or four times, I still can't find any Civil War allusion in his use of the word "union."

Stupid me. It just didn't look to me like you understood that the phrase "the union" can be and is used outside the context of The Union vs. The Confederacy. I can see now that you do, though -- otherwise, why would FDR have resurrected the word to describe the State of the Union Address. (He didn't invent that title, of course; it comes from Article II, § 3, of the Constitution. But you knew that, didn't you?)

Thanks for the eduction. I feel much more smarterer now.

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

No. I guess I must be dumber than a door post, because even after re-reading all of starang's posts in this thread three or four times, I still can't find any Civil War allusion in his use of the word "union."

Stupid me. It just didn't look to me like you understood that the phrase "the union" can be and is used outside the context of The Union vs. The Confederacy. I can see now that you do, though -- otherwise, why would FDR have resurrected the word to describe the State of the Union Address. (He didn't invent that title, of course; it comes from Article II, § 3, of the Constitution. But you knew that, didn't you?)

Thanks for the eduction. I feel much more smarterer now.

I'll concede this point.

Originally Posted by starang21

uhhhh......

translation, please. what does this have to with miami as a city having less intelligent denizens than the rest of the country?

I'll concede this point as well.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

I reckon y'all should go on over yonder to that there library and get y'all selves sumthin to read. One of them new fangled Yankee history books should set ya up jus' right. Go on an' grab them bulls by the horns and go on an open one of those there books. Y'all are sum real good ole boys. It's either that or head on over to Alabama or Mississippi where the South shall rise again! Thank ya kindly and bless your hearts.
*End Hijack*

uhhhh......

translation, please. what does this have to with miami as a city having less intelligent denizens than the rest of the country?

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

*Hijack*
The Union? Are we in the 1800s. You're talking about education? As far as I know the South lost and as far as I still know the entire state of Florida is not considered apart of the old South and rarely categorized as the deep south.

PhiGam
starang21

I reckon y'all should go on over yonder to that there library and get y'all selves sumthin to read. One of them new fangled Yankee history books should set ya up jus' right. Go on an' grab them bulls by the horns and go on an open one of those there books. Y'all are sum real good ole boys. It's either that or head on over to Alabama or Mississippi where the South shall rise again! Thank ya kindly and bless your hearts.
*End Hijack*

Now tuning in to our regularly scheduled program. Thanks to everyone else who responded. There are obviously some points that North & South Florida can learn about each other, i.e. Emerald coast & which industries & locations contribute what to state revenue.

You are extremely ignorant, I am a student at a relatively prestigious state university. I never said anything about the south rising again or being a good ole boy. I don't understand where a history book would come into effect here, especially since nobody in this thread can probably even recognize the flag I posted for North Florida as the flag of the former Republic of West Florida- or even know that such a republic ever existed.
You're feeling of superior intelligence to southerners is simply that... a feeling. The reason that the people quoted in the OP's article are angry is because they feel that the rest of Florida is unfairly using funds... sounds like if anything the South Florida legislators got outsmarted.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I don't understand where a history book would come into effect here, especially since nobody in this thread can probably even recognize the flag I posted for North Florida as the flag of the former Republic of West Florida- or even know that such a republic ever existed.

Wrong, young one.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Wrong, young one.

You're wrong. West Florida adopted the Bonnie Blue BEFORE the civil war.
http://www.crwflags.com/FOTW/flags/us-wstfl.html
Check your shit before calling someone out, especially on the history of their own state. thanks.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

You're wrong. West Florida adopted the Bonnie Blue BEFORE the civil war. . . .
Check your shit before calling someone out, especially on the history of their own state. thanks.

Did you not read the post I linked? I'll have to assume that you didn't, because if you had read it, you would've seen that (in 2006) I said

The Bonnie Blue Flag originated with the brief Republic of West Florida (comprising territory in parts of what is now Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana) in the early 1800s,

Last time I checked, the early 1800s was, in fact, quite a few years BEFORE the Civil War. So exactly how was I wrong?

If you had actually read, you'd know that I wasn't calling you out on the history of your state; I was calling you out for assuming that you were the only person around here who knew that particular tidbit of history.

The lesson for today: When you assume that

Originally Posted by PhiGam

nobody in this thread can probably even recognize the flag I posted for North Florida as the flag of the former Republic of West Florida- or even know that such a republic ever existed.

you can expect to be called out.

And when you then get your panties in a wad over it because you failed to read, you can expect to look like a fool. Thanks.

[Thetagirl218]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

I'm a 3rd generation South Floridian (my great grandmother moved hear in 1923) and I think there needs to be some kind of legislation that makes English the official language. People who work in customer service should be able to speak at least functional English but other than that I love South Florida. We've go great beaches, great weather, fresh air, art, music, culture, intelligent mostly liberal inhabitants, and diversity (which contrary to some of your statments is a good thing). However, compare that with our poor public education system, high homeowners insurance, and more impoverished areas and it's clear that we're getting the short end of the stick.

I've lived in North Florida (Tallahassee) and their concerns are NOT our concerns. WE make the money from tourism, large airports, & sales taxes, etc. and Republicans from areas like Apopka, Immokalee, Gainesville, Tallahassee, and even some Miami representatives (misinformed Cuban Americans who vote against their own best interests) vote against OUR interests. You North Florida inhabitants think you're so Southern. News flash The heart of Dixie doesn't accept you and they never will. If you want to be a rebel move your azzes up to Alabama or South Carolina.

While I agree about North Florida(Tallahassee & Jacksonville) taking a lot of the tax revenue, I believe that Central Florida (Orlando, Daytona, and Tampa Bay) equal just as much tourism money as South Florida makes.

On the other side though Jacksonville doesn't like the fact that Miami wants to set up a pipe line to bring water from the North Florida aquirfier to down south.

I am honestly suprised this last state session ended without an increase in the state sales tax or a proposal for a state income tax(though I don't think this will happen as long as the Republicans control Tallahassee)

I am also not a big fan of Gov. Crist and where he pulled all the decifict money from...

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

I've lived in North Florida (Tallahassee) and their concerns are NOT our concerns. WE make the money from tourism, large airports, & sales taxes, etc. and Republicans from areas like Apopka, Immokalee, Gainesville, Tallahassee, and even some Miami representatives (misinformed Cuban Americans who vote against their own best interests) vote against OUR interests. You North Florida inhabitants think you're so Southern. News flash The heart of Dixie doesn't accept you and they never will. If you want to be a rebel move your azzes up to Alabama or South Carolina.

Oh, North Florida does make a good chunk of our money from tourism--ever heard of the Emerald Coast? Also, we have the largest military installation in the free world, the economy in the area has done quite well in part because of the defense contracting, the intellectual muscle of the state is in the North, and the public school systems in North Florida could run circles around those in the South. I could go on and say that the subprime crisis in Florida has been triggered by greed in the South of the state, or that North Floridians know how to respect their natural resources. But, I'll stop there.

South Florida is a drain on the rest of the state.

But, I do agree that English needs to be the state's official language. But, luckily, the Northern section of the state hasn't really taken on Spanish that readily.