The State of.... South Florida??

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

*Hijack*
The Union? Are we in the 1800s.

So I guess the President and the Congress should stop calling that speech in January the State of the Union Address?

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

So I guess the President and the Congress should stop calling that speech in January the State of the Union Address?

Yes this is exactly what I think should happen! Thanks for pointing that mind blowing fact out! I guess I shouldn't assume that you understood the context of the conversation & that starang usage of the term Union was a reference to the Civil War (i.e the opposition between mostly northern & southern states). The similarity between the Union (when referring to the Civil War) & an annual speech the president makes now is nonexistent and to pretend that the connotation means the same thing is simplistic.

The State of the Union:
For many years, the speech was referred to as "the President's Annual Message to Congress." The actual term "State of the Union" did not become widely used until after 1935 when Franklin D. Roosevelt began using the phrase.

The Union:
During the American Civil War, Union was a name used to refer to the twenty-three states of the United States which were not part of the seceding Confederacy. Although the Union states included the Western states of California, Oregon, and (after 1864) Nevada, as well as states generally considered to be part of the Midwest, the Union is also often loosely referred to as "the North", both then and now.

See the difference, now?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

See the difference, now?

No. I guess I must be dumber than a door post, because even after re-reading all of starang's posts in this thread three or four times, I still can't find any Civil War allusion in his use of the word "union."

Stupid me. It just didn't look to me like you understood that the phrase "the union" can be and is used outside the context of The Union vs. The Confederacy. I can see now that you do, though -- otherwise, why would FDR have resurrected the word to describe the State of the Union Address. (He didn't invent that title, of course; it comes from Article II, § 3, of the Constitution. But you knew that, didn't you?)

Thanks for the eduction. I feel much more smarterer now.

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

No. I guess I must be dumber than a door post, because even after re-reading all of starang's posts in this thread three or four times, I still can't find any Civil War allusion in his use of the word "union."

Stupid me. It just didn't look to me like you understood that the phrase "the union" can be and is used outside the context of The Union vs. The Confederacy. I can see now that you do, though -- otherwise, why would FDR have resurrected the word to describe the State of the Union Address. (He didn't invent that title, of course; it comes from Article II, § 3, of the Constitution. But you knew that, didn't you?)

Thanks for the eduction. I feel much more smarterer now.

I'll concede this point.

Originally Posted by starang21

uhhhh......

translation, please. what does this have to with miami as a city having less intelligent denizens than the rest of the country?

I'll concede this point as well.