T-shirt club

[bowsandtoes]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I just don't think he should be willing to sacrifice his dignity or self-respect.

If I got a bid from a great fraternity and passed on it because I was too afraid of some push-ups then I would say I didn't have much in the way of self-respect in the first place.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

If I got a bid from a great fraternity and passed on it because I was too afraid of some push-ups then I would say I didn't have much in the way of self-respect in the first place.

So the fraternity that bids you will tell you that all you have to do is some push ups?

[SWTXBelle]

I wouldn't say push-ups are an affront to dignity or self-respect. I'm all for physical fitness.

But since you said this hypothetical pnm passed because of push-ups, at least it is obvious that it is discussed during recruitment. So yes, in that case, an informed choice could be made by a pnm. I wasn't aware that that sort of thing was discussed during recruitment, so color me impressed.

I was under the impression that hazing (and some activities that might be construed as hazing, some that might not) was not really discussed with pnm. I'd have to say that IF your "brotherhood building activities" could be discussed with pnm, or an advisor, or a university official, you are probably on the right track. I just don't know that you could do that with some activities that I am personally familiar with, or some I have been made aware of through other people and news reports.