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[bluefish81]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I "get it," I just don't have a big problem with Bush sending a message of support to the troops, even if it is bullshit. I also don't have a problem with him not serving in Vietnam considering his circumstances.

I guess I don't "get" why it's okay for the senior Bush to serve actively in a war and have a pretty storied and respectable career, and the younger Bush gets to serve inactively stateside. Please explain.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by bluefish81

I guess I don't "get" why it's okay for the senior Bush to serve actively in a war and have a pretty storied and respectable career, and the younger Bush gets to serve inactively stateside. Please explain.

I don't think it's ok to expect somebody to serve in the military just because their father did.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I don't think it's ok to expect somebody to serve in the military just because their father did.

I dont think it's ok for someone who ducked serving in the military properly to make light of those who are serving especially being the one that sent them there in the first place.

[bluefish81]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I don't think it's ok to expect somebody to serve in the military just because their father did.

I would agree with that statement, but it's often thought that Bush (like some others in his era) joined the N.G. at that time to avoid being drafted. His student eligiblility from being drafted was about up when he entered. I don't expect someone to serve in the military just "because their dad did."
My own dad was drafted during Vietnam and discharge/ineligible for medical reasons. Like many people, both of my grandfathers served in WWII.

I guess I still don't understand what are his circumstances? That he could barely pass the pilot exam?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by bluefish81

I would agree with that statement, but it's often thought that Bush (like some others in his era) joined the N.G. at that time to avoid being drafted. His student eligiblility from being drafted was about up when he entered. I don't expect someone to serve in the military just "because their dad did."
My own dad was drafted during Vietnam and discharge/ineligible for medical reasons. Like many people, both of my grandfathers served in WWII.

I guess I still don't understand what are his circumstances? That he could barely pass the pilot exam?

Bush's military record: http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-02-14-bush-docs.htm

awol allegations: http://www.factcheck.org/democratic_...n_against.html

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[moe.ron]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

I have trouble understanding why in God's name you find it acceptable to ridicule the President of the United States, leader of the free world, in his attempts to keep our troops motivated.

Hahaha, I find it funny that people still believe in this leader of the free world crap.

[bowsandtoes]

This is exactly why I'm voting for McCain, he's the only person running who hasn't any deal what war actually entails. While McCain was a POW in Vietnam, Obama was toking up and doing lines in Jakarta. Now tell me which one better qualifies you for office?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

This is exactly why I'm voting for McCain, he's the only person running who hasn't any deal what war actually entails. While McCain was a POW in Vietnam, Obama was toking up and doing lines in Jakarta. Now tell me which one better qualifies you for office?

One's past doesn't ALWAYS define your present....if anything your past shapes your present...amazing analogy you pose there, but still is it not amazing that someone who DID drugs and admitted to the mistakes that he made, did what was needed to change his lifestyle...AS A TEEN mind you, could still be in a position to become president of the US....

Hell Gee Dub still doesn't talk candidly about his alcohol induced times as an adult nor have we heard a PEEP about his daughters since term one....except one is getting married.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Though I understand Bush wanting to boost the spirits of those on the front lines and show his appreciation, I find his comments incredibly condescending. The man probably cannot even begin to imagine what it's like for our troops over there, since he's never been in combat, so where does he get off telling them how "dreamy" they should feel? It would be better if he would just say "Thank You" and give them the respect they deserve.

Though our military has a lot of pride in what they do, there's no doubt that MANY of our men and women do not want to be there...in the desert for years, watching their friends get their limbs blown off and fearing for their own lives every day. Oh, and then when they finally get home from war, their govt. sticks them in some of the crummiest hospitals around and offers them little in the way of counseling. George Bush had his chance to live like these men and women, but he didn't have the you-know-whats for it - I imagine many of them find his ramblings of "romantic" times on patrol absolutely laughable and out of touch, if not insulting.

[moe.ron]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

This is exactly why I'm voting for McCain, he's the only person running who hasn't any deal what war actually entails. While McCain was a POW in Vietnam, Obama was toking up and doing lines in Jakarta. Now tell me which one better qualifies you for office?

Hmm, a guy in pow camp or a grade schooler doing drugs in a foreign country. I'd say none of them are qualified.

Lt. Kelly is more qualified then McCain or Obama if you look at how hardcore one is. He, after all, massacred an entire village.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by moe.ron

Hmm, a guy in pow camp or a grade schooler doing drugs in a foreign country. I'd say none of them are qualified.

Lt. Kelly is more qualified then McCain or Obama if you look at how hardcore one is. He, after all, massacred an entire village.

You mean William Calley? Or have I missed a news story?

You're a sick pup.

[moe.ron]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

You mean William Calley? Or have I missed a news story?

You're a sick pup.

Him too

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

One's past doesn't ALWAYS define your present....if anything your past shapes your present...amazing analogy you pose there, but still is it not amazing that someone who DID drugs and admitted to the mistakes that he made, did what was needed to change his lifestyle...AS A TEEN mind you, could still be in a position to become president of the US....

Hell Gee Dub still doesn't talk candidly about his alcohol induced times as an adult nor have we heard a PEEP about his daughters since term one....except one is getting married.

So Bush's military service record is relevant but Obama's actions during the same times are not? You look down more upon somebody for serving in the national guard than for doing cocaine, I guess I just don't understand the double standard. If military service is truly important to you then I suppose you'll vote for McCain.

[moe.ron]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

So Bush's military service record is relevant but Obama's actions during the same times are not? You look down more upon somebody for serving in the national guard than for doing cocaine, I guess I just don't understand the double standard. If military service is truly important to you then I suppose you'll vote for McCain.

I have no idea where you got your info from, but Obama was in grade school when he was in Jakarta. Nxt thing u know, ur going to tell us that he attended a militant madrasah.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

So Bush's military service record is relevant but Obama's actions during the same times are not? You look down more upon somebody for serving in the national guard than for doing cocaine, I guess I just don't understand the double standard. If military service is truly important to you then I suppose you'll vote for McCain.

Dude...Obama was IN HIGH SCHOOL when his occurences happened....like you didn't do stupid things in high school...Bush was a grown @ssed man shirking service!!!!!

Bush was ALSO a grown adult and in various official positions when his alcoholism took place....
At least Obama had teh WISDOM to learn from it....Bush apparently never passed whatever he learned from it down to his daughters...

So given the 2....I say double standard doesn't work, here.....