The 2008 presidential field at-a-glance

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

*lol* Nittany, you amuse me. You really do.

I was exaggerating details to make a point. I didn't think you actually thought I believed McCain would actually start nuking nations on Day Two of his tenure in office. Try some decaf next time, Nittany, goodness....

*lol again*

You talk about fighting "tooth and nail" to keep someone out of the White House and you're telling me to drink decaf. Yeah, I'm the one without a solid grip on reality. I'm glad I amuse you, Kappy, one of us should be interesting. Keep tippin' at those windmills!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I'm guessing, and that's all it is, is that he expects that the sources of the Clinton's income, in terms of Bill's outrageous speaking fees and maybe even some corporate boards, will rub a lot of people the wrong way, and maybe even just a little bit of how hard it will be for them to keep selling "we speak for the common" man when people see the amount and sources of income.

The Obamas are rich by most people's standards, but I don't think their household income will seem as bad in comparison.

It's not just that although part of Obama's appeal is that "common man" thing. He and his wife only paid off their student loans and got out of debt after his book became a best seller.

It's more the fact that Hillary's campaign funding has to be reported, but the Clintons won't reveal where donations to the Presidential Library are coming from, for example. And she put 5 million of her own money into that campaign, if it came from someone shady via Bill than it will look really bad. And honestly the more the Clintons protest the more it looks like they have something to hide.

[GeekyPenguin]

Does anyone know what's new with the Ron Paul blimp?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

It's not just that although part of Obama's appeal is that "common man" thing. He and his wife only paid off their student loans and got out of debt after his book became a best seller.

It's more the fact that Hillary's campaign funding has to be reported, but the Clintons won't reveal where donations to the Presidential Library are coming from, for example. And she put 5 million of her own money into that campaign, if it came from someone shady via Bill than it will look really bad. And honestly the more the Clintons protest the more it looks like they have something to hide.

I think it's hard for anyone as currently rich as the Clintons to pass off the "common man" thing, but they've both claimed to represent the interest of the working class. The Obama's are rich today, but I don't think it probably compares to how much any former president can pimp himself out if he wants to.

Because it's the Clintons, I suspect they do have things to hide. I'm not saying Republicans are cleaner, but the Clintons are more financially compromised in a personal way that most politicians, I think. With others, it may be someone doing shady things on behalf of an industry or business connection, with the Clintons, they're usually tied in directly and it can be traced more easily, or so it seems to me.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

It's not just that although part of Obama's appeal is that "common man" thing. He and his wife only paid off their student loans and got out of debt after his book became a best seller.

It's more the fact that Hillary's campaign funding has to be reported, but the Clintons won't reveal where donations to the Presidential Library are coming from, for example. And she put 5 million of her own money into that campaign, if it came from someone shady via Bill than it will look really bad. And honestly the more the Clintons protest the more it looks like they have something to hide.

This is probably going to come out wrong, because I'm typing but here goes:

I don't know if either of the Clinton's took out student loans. Maybe neither of them had to because their families were either already wealthy and just paid outright for it for their educations... maybe they started a nestegg when the two were born. (If they didn't get loans?)

Why does it matter if/when they did, and even if they did, why would it be wrong that they are already paid off? They are at least 10ish yrs older than the Obamas, and her husband was the President of the US for awhile and prior to that he was doing all kinds of snazzy jobs where I'm sure they would have used funds to pay off the loans if they did have them, they both had books, and I'm sure they get paid to give speeches and all, they would have to pay back their loans just like everyone else.

I took out student loans... a bunch... and I've been out of school for almost 3ish years now... guess what? I'm not a millionaire, I don't make an insane amount of money... but I've managed to pay off more than half of them already. I'm not even 27 yet. It can be done. Does that make me some super rich elitist person? No. I just lived on a tight budget and put whatever free money I could to pay off the bank.

I just don't get this whole "well I just paid off my college loans so see? I'm just like you! You should vote for me!!!!" stuff.

What does Bill Clinton's Presidential Library have to do with any of this? Him & Hill are two completely seperate different people.

Sorry but I'm not buying the whole "YEEEESSSS WEEEEE CAAAAAAN!!!" crap.

[SWTXBelle]

Not that I'd vote for either of the Dems., but I do think Hillary should release her tax returns AND her papers from her time as first lady. I'm not believing that, oh, she would, she's just been busy.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Not that I'd vote for either of the Dems., but I do think Hillary should release her tax returns AND her papers from her time as first lady. I'm not believing that, oh, she would, she's just been busy.

Yep.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

You talk about fighting "tooth and nail" to keep someone out of the White House and you're telling me to drink decaf. Yeah, I'm the one without a solid grip on reality. I'm glad I amuse you, Kappy, one of us should be interesting. Keep tippin' at those windmills!

If Hillary, Obama, or McCain wins the presidency, this country deserves exactly what it will get, and it won't be peace, privacy, and prosperity, I can guarantee you that!!

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

If Hillary, Obama, or McCain wins the presidency, this country deserves exactly what it will get, and it won't be peace, privacy, and prosperity, I can guarantee you that!!

Guarantee?? How much are you willing to put up???

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Guarantee?? How much are you willing to put up???

Everything I own.

*pause*

OK, how about $50 and a bucket of KFC?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

If Hillary, Obama, or McCain wins the presidency, this country deserves exactly what it will get, and it won't be peace, privacy, and prosperity, I can guarantee you that!!

Kap...so this means that you are among those who feel like there are NO good candidates this year and if possible, you would want a do over with new candidates?

[SWTXBelle]

I think Hillary and Obama should just do "rock, paper, scissors" to see who is the top of the ticket. Think of the campaign money it would save!

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Kap...so this means that you are among those who feel like there are NO good candidates this year and if possible, you would want a do over with new candidates?

Other than Ron Paul, that's exactly what I am saying (though I don't know if a do-over with new candidates will exactly calm my fears).

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Other than Ron Paul, that's exactly what I am saying (though I don't know if a do-over with new candidates will exactly calm my fears).

You sound like a whole bunch of conservatives I know...

Funny part was I was just discussing this isue in a podcast last night about how this a year in which there is somethign for everyone and on the flip, there are those that are nowhere near happy with the candidates.

For some, a shoe is on the other foot.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

This is probably going to come out wrong, because I'm typing but here goes:

I don't know if either of the Clinton's took out student loans. Maybe neither of them had to because their families were either already wealthy and just paid outright for it for their educations... maybe they started a nestegg when the two were born. (If they didn't get loans?)

Why does it matter if/when they did, and even if they did, why would it be wrong that they are already paid off? They are at least 10ish yrs older than the Obamas, and her husband was the President of the US for awhile and prior to that he was doing all kinds of snazzy jobs where I'm sure they would have used funds to pay off the loans if they did have them, they both had books, and I'm sure they get paid to give speeches and all, they would have to pay back their loans just like everyone else.

I took out student loans... a bunch... and I've been out of school for almost 3ish years now... guess what? I'm not a millionaire, I don't make an insane amount of money... but I've managed to pay off more than half of them already. I'm not even 27 yet. It can be done. Does that make me some super rich elitist person? No. I just lived on a tight budget and put whatever free money I could to pay off the bank.

I just don't get this whole "well I just paid off my college loans so see? I'm just like you! You should vote for me!!!!" stuff.

What does Bill Clinton's Presidential Library have to do with any of this? Him & Hill are two completely seperate different people.

Sorry but I'm not buying the whole "YEEEESSSS WEEEEE CAAAAAAN!!!" crap.

I don't know where the hell you went with this. I only pointed out that the "just paid off their student loans" appeals to many people as they too have struggled with debt. It doesn't make the Clintons "bad," it has nothing to do with them.

Others have explained why the Clinton tax returns are important and yes they are something that Obama is focusing on in response to Hillary's negative campaigning. But short answer: it looks SHADY that you can't release your tax returns until the campaign is almost over, the day before the PA primary in fact, when we're not talking about current returns but also past ones.