The 2008 presidential field at-a-glance

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

If Hillary, Obama, or McCain wins the presidency, this country deserves exactly what it will get, and it won't be peace, privacy, and prosperity, I can guarantee you that!!

Kap...so this means that you are among those who feel like there are NO good candidates this year and if possible, you would want a do over with new candidates?

[SWTXBelle]

I think Hillary and Obama should just do "rock, paper, scissors" to see who is the top of the ticket. Think of the campaign money it would save!

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Kap...so this means that you are among those who feel like there are NO good candidates this year and if possible, you would want a do over with new candidates?

Other than Ron Paul, that's exactly what I am saying (though I don't know if a do-over with new candidates will exactly calm my fears).

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Other than Ron Paul, that's exactly what I am saying (though I don't know if a do-over with new candidates will exactly calm my fears).

You sound like a whole bunch of conservatives I know...

Funny part was I was just discussing this isue in a podcast last night about how this a year in which there is somethign for everyone and on the flip, there are those that are nowhere near happy with the candidates.

For some, a shoe is on the other foot.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

This is probably going to come out wrong, because I'm typing but here goes:

I don't know if either of the Clinton's took out student loans. Maybe neither of them had to because their families were either already wealthy and just paid outright for it for their educations... maybe they started a nestegg when the two were born. (If they didn't get loans?)

Why does it matter if/when they did, and even if they did, why would it be wrong that they are already paid off? They are at least 10ish yrs older than the Obamas, and her husband was the President of the US for awhile and prior to that he was doing all kinds of snazzy jobs where I'm sure they would have used funds to pay off the loans if they did have them, they both had books, and I'm sure they get paid to give speeches and all, they would have to pay back their loans just like everyone else.

I took out student loans... a bunch... and I've been out of school for almost 3ish years now... guess what? I'm not a millionaire, I don't make an insane amount of money... but I've managed to pay off more than half of them already. I'm not even 27 yet. It can be done. Does that make me some super rich elitist person? No. I just lived on a tight budget and put whatever free money I could to pay off the bank.

I just don't get this whole "well I just paid off my college loans so see? I'm just like you! You should vote for me!!!!" stuff.

What does Bill Clinton's Presidential Library have to do with any of this? Him & Hill are two completely seperate different people.

Sorry but I'm not buying the whole "YEEEESSSS WEEEEE CAAAAAAN!!!" crap.

I don't know where the hell you went with this. I only pointed out that the "just paid off their student loans" appeals to many people as they too have struggled with debt. It doesn't make the Clintons "bad," it has nothing to do with them.

Others have explained why the Clinton tax returns are important and yes they are something that Obama is focusing on in response to Hillary's negative campaigning. But short answer: it looks SHADY that you can't release your tax returns until the campaign is almost over, the day before the PA primary in fact, when we're not talking about current returns but also past ones.

[GeekyPenguin]

To me, it's appealing that the Obamas understand firsthand how much student loans suck. Between my boyfriend and I, we'll have six figures - we both have college and law school loans. The real kicker is that we both went to law school for free and we still have over $100,000 in debt. I feel like Obama is going to understand this a little more than Bill and Hillary, who never really seemed to have issues paying off any loans they had from law school.

[jon1856]

R.N.C. Snaps Up Domain Names
Cannotrustclinton.com? clintonisbad.com? At least 25 domain names related to Hillary Rodham Clinton have links to the Republican National Committee: the names were either registered by the R.N.C. last year or showed up on servers the committee uses. Half a dozen seemed to guess at Mrs. Clinton’s eventual running mate, like clintonomalley.com, referring to Gov. Martin O’Malley of Maryland.
The day after Barack Obama won the Iowa caucuses, the R.N.C. snapped up at least 20 domains related to his candidacy. Some of them may signal the party’s future strategy: baracknotready.com and norealexperience.com. The party has also begun preemptively registering domains that could be used to attack John McCain, like mccainamigos.com, voteagainstmccain.com, flipflopmccain.com and hatemccain.com (ihatemccain.com was taken.)
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-domain-names/

[jon1856]

In Re.: Taxes and Medical records:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803060007?f=h_popular

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/8...weet06.article

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/...ap4741632.html

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

To me, it's appealing that the Obamas understand firsthand how much student loans suck. Between my boyfriend and I, we'll have six figures - we both have college and law school loans. The real kicker is that we both went to law school for free and we still have over $100,000 in debt. I feel like Obama is going to understand this a little more than Bill and Hillary, who never really seemed to have issues paying off any loans they had from law school.

When Bill and Hillary graduated from Yale, there was a system where everyone from their class who had taken out loans put them in a common pool, and paid back based on their income. As Hillary says in her book, it was great for them because they were public servants/working for the people right out of school (and yes, law professor at a state school is a public servant to me), but the people who went to big firms and stayed basically subsidized their law educations.

Also, we can't forget that the Clintons' Yale educations were possibly 10-25% of the cost of the Obamas' Harvard ones.

Whether or not the candidate knows the pain of student loans isn't that important to me...people of all socioeconomic backgrounds take them out, and some people pay them off right away, and others stretch out the payments to subsidize their lifestyles. One of our close family friends is a doctor, and 30 years out of med school, she buys a new car and boat every year, but guess what? She's still rocking out the loans (and makes smaller payments than most non-doctors I know).

[LeslieAGD]

Obama needs to start firing some of the people working for him who keep bringing about negative publicity. This is the third story in the last two weeks that I have heard where Obama has had to come out and apologize for the actions and comments of his campaign workers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/...hKv7fEpw0E1vAI

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

When Bill and Hillary graduated from Yale, there was a system where everyone from their class who had taken out loans put them in a common pool, and paid back based on their income. As Hillary says in her book, it was great for them because they were public servants/working for the people right out of school (and yes, law professor at a state school is a public servant to me), but the people who went to big firms and stayed basically subsidized their law educations.

Also, we can't forget that the Clintons' Yale educations were possibly 10-25% of the cost of the Obamas' Harvard ones.

Whether or not the candidate knows the pain of student loans isn't that important to me...people of all socioeconomic backgrounds take them out, and some people pay them off right away, and others stretch out the payments to subsidize their lifestyles. One of our close family friends is a doctor, and 30 years out of med school, she buys a new car and boat every year, but guess what? She's still rocking out the loans (and makes smaller payments than most non-doctors I know).

this is where I was going with the whole student loan thing... though I admit I didn't say it as eloquently as Munchkin did.

I'd also add that going to college is a privilage, and not a right. If you want to go to college, grad, or medical, or law school, there is a price for it. If you don't have the money to pay in cash up front, you find another way if you want to go (i.e. take out loans) or work through college. If you take out loans, you start paying them back after you graduate.

There are even some programs (Teach for America for example) that will help you pay them if you teach or otherwise help out in certain ways.

What more do we really want?

The cost to go to college will always be rising. The demand is also rising. It's called economics.

I just don't like the fact that Obama is trying to use his "I just paid off my student loans, so I know what's it's like and I'm just like you so you should vote for me!!" to try to appeal to everyone.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

When Bill and Hillary graduated from Yale, there was a system where everyone from their class who had taken out loans put them in a common pool, and paid back based on their income. As Hillary says in her book, it was great for them because they were public servants/working for the people right out of school (and yes, law professor at a state school is a public servant to me), but the people who went to big firms and stayed basically subsidized their law educations.

Also, we can't forget that the Clintons' Yale educations were possibly 10-25% of the cost of the Obamas' Harvard ones.

Whether or not the candidate knows the pain of student loans isn't that important to me...people of all socioeconomic backgrounds take them out, and some people pay them off right away, and others stretch out the payments to subsidize their lifestyles. One of our close family friends is a doctor, and 30 years out of med school, she buys a new car and boat every year, but guess what? She's still rocking out the loans (and makes smaller payments than most non-doctors I know).

I did not know that - although since I already voted and I'm going to vote for either of them over McCain, it's sort of a moot point now.