Greek Discrimination....

[33girl]

Originally Posted by scoobis

Pricklike? I went into his business because an alumnus gave me a list of businesses who've donated in the past. I didn't expect him to donate, I don't expect anyone to, i just hope people have the decency and means to be able to help.

You are really missing the point.

If you (either you personally or you as a group) find someone's business distasteful, you don't ask them to donate money. I hate Walmart, I don't care how much they've given in the past, I won't go in that store and ask them for money.

As you obviously find this man's business something repugnant, you shouldn't have gone in there to ask for money. Let another brother do it. If you as a group are against tobacco use, it's really hypocritical to ask a tobacco seller to help you in any way.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by 33girl

You are really missing the point.

I don't know that he is the one missing the point. I didn't take his initial "you're selling cancer" remark as an indication that he found the business "repugnant," but rather just as a comment on the perceived irony of someone who sells tobacco worrying about having his business associated with alcohol. The man had given in the past, and the OP said he remained polite in asking this time, even when he was treated rudely. How is that pricklike?

BTW, I hate Walmart too, but I wouldn't hesitate to ask them for money if I thought they might give and it would benefit the community.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I don't know that he is the one missing the point. I didn't take his initial "you're selling cancer" remark as an indication that he found the business "repugnant," but rather just as a comment on the perceived irony of someone who sells tobacco worrying about having his business associated with alcohol. The man had given in the past, and the OP said he remained polite in asking this time, even when he was treated rudely. How is that pricklike?

BTW, I hate Walmart too, but I wouldn't hesitate to ask them for money if I thought they might give and it would benefit the community.

To characterize an entire business as "selling cancer" and then ask them for money is IMO extremely hypocritical, not an ironic comment. I would have the same reaction if he called Vera Bradley "those stupid ugly effing bags" and then went into a VB store to ask for donations. You don't criticize people and then turn around and ask them for money.

And like I said - more than likely, donors would have their names recognized somewhere. If I dislike the way someone does business, or what their business is, I don't want their money associated with my org in any way, shape or form.

As for Walmart, I would hardly be the first person to say "keep your money."

[Little32]

Originally Posted by 33girl

To characterize an entire business as "selling cancer" and then ask them for money is IMO extremely hypocritical, not an ironic comment. "keep your money."

This was not the sequence of events, which is what MysticCat was pointing out.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Little32

This was not the sequence of events, which is what MysticCat was pointing out.

So after someone turns you down for a request (even if they are a dick about it) it's OK for you to denigrate their entire business? That's like saying it's OK for the kid outside our building selling candy bars to call me a stupid bitch if I don't want to buy one.

[skylark]

Originally Posted by 33girl

That's like saying it's OK for the kid outside our building selling candy bars to call me a stupid bitch if I don't want to buy one.

If you happen to be the proprietor of a McDonalds and tell the kid outside the building selling candy that the reason you don't want to buy their candy is because you don't like to support unbalanced nutrition... then yeah.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by skylark

If you happen to be the proprietor of a McDonalds and tell the kid outside the building selling candy that the reason you don't want to buy their candy is because you don't like to support unbalanced nutrition... then yeah.

I am referring to an office building, not a McDonald's.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

BTW, I hate Walmart too, but I wouldn't hesitate to ask them for money if I thought they might give and it would benefit the community.

Yeah let these businesses give back to the community somehow.

But that has more to do with what "hating" a business entails. If a business is unhumane, harmful, has discriminatory practices, and so forth, I can understand organizations not wanting to solicit or receive their "dirty money." It's almost like selling out because some businesses will donate if they know they will get free advertising or recognition for contributing.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

But that has more to do with what "hating" a business entails. If a business is unhumane, harmful, has discriminatory practices, and so forth, I can understand organizations not wanting to solicit or receive their "dirty money." It's almost like selling out because some businesses will donate if they know they will get free advertising or recognition for contributing.

Yes. Thank you.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

In 1988, we spent so much money in San Francisco that they were able to retire their city debt.

Thank you. Any plans to come back?

Originally Posted by KyleMcGuire1983

For the record 20 years later San Francisco is hundreds of millions of dollars in debt! How do you do that in such short time?

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Liberal local governments have problems keeping their spending in check.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

So do conservative federal governments, so the bulk of the last 7 years would seem to indicate.

For the record, the City and County of San Francisco's debt is due mainly to general obligation bond issuances related to infrastructure. Most of which has been mandated by federal and state law starting after the 1989 Loma Prieta and the 1994 Northridge earthquakes. To be clear, San Francisco's general bonded debt includes bonds for construction and/or rehabilitation of affordable housing, libraries, museums, parks and playgrounds, schools, fire and police stations and other facilities. And for what it is worth, Standard and Poor's considers San Francisco's debt burden as manageable and the economy stable. Many so called "conservative" local governments would love those ratings.

[NinjaPoodle]

*off topic*

Originally Posted by TSteven

For the record, ... To be clear, San Francisco's general bonded debt includes bonds for construction and/or rehabilitation of affordable housing, libraries, museums, parks and playgrounds, schools, fire and police stations and other facilities.

Oh where, oh where has the bonded money gone?
Oh where, oh where could it be.. Newsom? kidding of course..

[skylark]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I don't know that he is the one missing the point. I didn't take his initial "you're selling cancer" remark as an indication that he found the business "repugnant," but rather just as a comment on the perceived irony of someone who sells tobacco worrying about having his business associated with alcohol. The man had given in the past, and the OP said he remained polite in asking this time, even when he was treated rudely. How is that pricklike?

BTW, I hate Walmart too, but I wouldn't hesitate to ask them for money if I thought they might give and it would benefit the community.

I took his comment the same way. It's like the pot calling the kettle black sort of thing. I certainly don't have a problem with tobacco or cigar shops, but if a business owner of one of those shops tried to act all altruistic about not wanting to promote substance abuse by minors... I'd absolutely feel the need to call out a hypocrite.

ETA: On the OP's topic (trying to steer the thread back) ... I've often felt like the "sorority" label has raised eyebrows from others. For several years in college I enjoyed philosophy and gender studies classes by a certain feminist professor and at one point asked her to write a letter of recommendation for a sorority scholarship. Mind you, I'd gotten all As (not even an A-) in all 4 classes from her and in the two upper division classes I had the highest GPA in the class. We had a good working relationship, so I honestly hadn't hesitated at all about asking for the rec. When I asked, though, she was like "I'm not really sure I can be involved in this because I really don't like what sororities stand for." I couldn't help but think that if only she would open her eyes to the fact that being involved in my sorority was about one of the most feminist activities available on campus for women to do.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by skylark

I took his comment the same way. It's like the pot calling the kettle black sort of thing. I certainly don't have a problem with tobacco or cigar shops, but if a business owner of one of those shops tried to act all altruistic about not wanting to promote substance abuse by minors... I'd absolutely feel the need to call out a hypocrite.

Tobacco is a legal substance in the United States of America. Where is the hypocrisy?

[SWTXBelle]

It's not legal for minors. Just sayin'. (at the same time as Skylark!)

But if the shop owner doesn't want to associate his product with Greeks, that's his right, just as it is the right of the Greeks to chose not to frequent or recommend his shop.

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Tobacco is a legal substance in the United States of America. Where is the hypocrisy?

It's pretty ballsy to say that because he's Greek he's associated with underage drinking...

...and then, yeah, sell cancer. It may be legal, but it doesn't make it right and I wouldn't by that holier-than-thou attitude from the shop owner either. We all know LOTS of kids smoke underage, too, and even when it's legal it's still just as bad for you as alcohol.

And that's coming from a smoker.