The 2008 presidential field at-a-glance

[Drolefille]

Adultery is an acceptable reason for annulment in the Catholic Church.

I'm not going to judge Hillary for staying with Bill, she had her reasons and they work for her (and him(, she appears to be happy enough with him.

I'll judge her for other things, but not for that.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Adultery is an acceptable reason for annulment in the Catholic Church.

I'm not going to judge Hillary for staying with Bill, she had her reasons and they work for her (and him(, she appears to be happy enough with him.

I'll judge her for other things, but not for that.

I feel free to evaluate politicians on any indication that seems to point to fundamental character. I really don't spend a lot of time trying to pass judgment on people really in my life, so I understand on that level what you guys are saying.

This is the most random highjack I have ever personally participated in, I think:

I thought that annulments were really just based on the circumstances at the time of the sacrament. Are you sure that something that happens after the sacrament can actually be grounds?

(If there was cheating even as they prepared to get married, then sure. But if the marriage was valid when it occurred, can it be annulled for something that happens later? )

Even if you can't get an annulment so you could remarry later, you still don't have to stay. I don't think any church or power that marries people in the US requires that you stick it out with someone who refuses to be faithful.

[AGDee]

There are lots of things that can happen after marriage that allow for annulment in the Catholic church. Withholding sex, refusing to "be fruitful and multiply" (using birth control against your spouses wishes), adultery, abuse.. all kinds of things. I don't remember which grounds I used with my first marriage, but there was a whole list. Also, I don't know anybody who has applied for an annulment in the last two decades who didn't get it (personal, anecdotal, yes). Then again, we're in a pretty liberal Archdiocese.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I feel free to evaluate politicians on any indication that seems to point to fundamental character. I really don't spend a lot of time trying to pass judgment on people really in my life, so I understand on that level what you guys are saying.

This is the most random highjack I have ever personally participated in, I think:

I thought that annulments were really just based on the circumstances at the time of the sacrament. Are you sure that something that happens after the sacrament can actually be grounds?

(If there was cheating even as they prepared to get married, then sure. But if the marriage was valid when it occurred, can it be annulled for something that happens later? )

Even if you can't get an annulment so you could remarry later, you still don't have to stay. I don't think any church or power that marries people in the US requires that you stick it out with someone who refuses to be faithful.

I think the marriage can get annulled under the provision that the cheater was dishonest at the time of taking the vows. There are actually a few ways of dissolution as well I believe but it's been a while since I learned all that.

My choice not to evaluate/judge Hillary on that issue is a personal and professional one. She's the expert on herself and on what suits her relationship wise.

[PhiRhoSister]

Back to the original topic -- I am so frustrated that everyone is dropping out BEFORE the super tues!! Wasn't the whole point of states moving up their primary dates to Feb, so more states could have more imput in the process!?!

I feel like all the candidates just gave up before the contest ever started. I was excited to vote in the primaries, but not now. I am beginning to believe everything is so rigged.

[Tom Earp]

1. The push started to soon.

2. The fact of money.

Some were not worth a darn.

Some still are not.

Must love TV and the internet!

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by PhiRhoSister

Back to the original topic -- I am so frustrated that everyone is dropping out BEFORE the super Tues!! Wasn't the whole point of states moving up their primary dates to Feb, so more states could have more input in the process!?!

I feel like all the candidates just gave up before the contest ever started. I was excited to vote in the primaries, but not now. I am beginning to believe everything is so rigged.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

1. The push started to soon.

2. The fact of money.

Some were not worth a darn.

Some still are not.

Must love TV and the Internet!

Both of you, in your own way, are correct.
As posted above somewhere, the best way of doing this would be rotating 5 Super Tuesdays separated by two weeks or so.

But that is just too simple and too political to ever happen.

[UGAalum94]

I'm still heartbroken about Fred, and as if to taunt me, I got a package from Friends of Fred today. What am I going to do now with a big sort of painted looking image poster with Thompson 2008 and, no joke, a rhinestone pin that spells out Thompson 2008? If he were still in the race, both would amuse and delight me to no end, but as it is, just kind of reminds me of what won't happen.

It also reminded me of the incredible expense that you've got even when you drop out because you've had to plan and pre-order everything. I suppose maybe that's encouraging people to drop out sooner rather than later. You can't even just maintain your spending, you kind of have to accelerated it for something like Super Tuesday.

Maybe all the drop-outs looked at the cost of ads in all the markets for Super Tuesday and just buckled.