SC goes to Obama, Clinton loses black supporters...

[scbelle]

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Well, if Florida Dems wanted their votes to count so badly, they should have petitioned the state party to play by the rules. Front-loading the primary season is bad for the party, for politics, and for America. That's one of the reasons we've been discussing a lack of defined agendas. The candidates simply don't have the time because states who feel self-important keep moving their primaries up.

As for the Obama remarks, wow. just wow. He's never touted his race, black, white or otherwise. In fact, all of the pundits I've heard who've been watching the campaign say that he's been very deft at not bringing race into the discussion. It was the Clinton campaign that brought all that crap into focus, along with the media. I think what he's doing in the Midwest is paying homage to his roots as far as values are concerned. Midwesterners are a lot like Southerners. We have deep-rooted values. And I don't think you have to be white to have them.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by scbelle

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As for the Obama remarks, wow. just wow. He's never touted his race, black, white or otherwise. In fact, all of the pundits I've heard who've been watching the campaign say that he's been very deft at not bringing race into the discussion. It was the Clinton campaign that brought all that crap into focus, along with the media. I think what he's doing in the Midwest is paying homage to his roots as far as values are concerned. Midwesterners are a lot like Southerners. We have deep-rooted values. And I don't think you have to be white to have them.

Ok, let me start off by saying I am Obama fan, and I LOATHE the Clintons... BUT!!!!! The Clinton campaign didn't bring this in perspective. No, first, Obama didn't have the black vote, so the media brought it into perspective last summer. Then the recent stuff started when Clinton was connecting MLK's achievement to the importance of being president, by saying it MLK to do all this, and it took LBJ to do that. ALL TOO TRUE, and MLK was only in the mix due to the holiday. She didn't bring up the race card, she was merely making a statement that shows the importance of a good pres. THEN, the obama campaign (NOT OBAMA, but some of his supporters) called fowl that H.C. was under-minding MLK's achievements. This is where the media stepped in an made it a Black man standing up for a black man against he rich white lady. The race card also got played in FROM THE MEDIA with the whole issue dating back to this summer, that S.C. has a shit ton of black voters, and Obama wasn't black enough, and black votings wondering if the rest of America was not racist enough, so Obama could have a chance. That is how the whole race card jizz started, so don't give the Clintons the CREDIT for starting something that has come really important to the election (but shouldn't be). The only thing they were capable of doing was staying on the news, and there for playing into this whole race issue the best they could. Otherwise, you are letting the Clinton sound like masterminds, and really, they are more like Steve Martin and Bernadette Peters from 'the Jerk.'

[scbelle]

I now loathe the Clintons as well. But don't take Bill's mastermind credentials away from him. I did mention in my post that the media also took the race ball and ran with it, but I can see what you mean as far as the Clintons using it. He was all, "Well, Hillary will probably lose in SC because all the blacks will vote for Obama", trying to make him a "black" candidate (whatever that is). And then after the election, once again he tried to marginalize Obama again by making a reference to Jesse Jackson's presidential bid in 1984 and 1988. He said, "Jesse Jackson won the state in 1984 and 1988 because he ran a good campaign in SC, and I think Obama has run a good campaign here." WTF? he could have compared Obama to himself in 1992, but he didn't. He did that hoping to stick it to Obama with whites in the states voting on Super Tuesday because he knew he had to do something to stop the momentum. So he took a page from the Republican playbook. yuck. Obviously, the man is slipping because everyone with half a brain realized what he was trying to do. But I think the main point I wanted to express is that Obama has been trying to run without being a candidate who is tied to a specific race.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by scbelle

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Well, if Florida Dems wanted their votes to count so badly, they should have petitioned the state party to play by the rules. Front-loading the primary season is bad for the party, for politics, and for America. That's one of the reasons we've been discussing a lack of defined agendas. The candidates simply don't have the time because states who feel self-important keep moving their primaries up.

CO-SIGN!

I'm from Florida--although I haven't lived there permanently for almost 10 years, I'm still registered there, since after 2000 we learned exactly how important the state was, and, let's face it, NY is hardly a battleground state. I'm not mad at the DNC for shutting out Florida, I'm embarassed by the state party for being stupid. What was wrong with being a Super Tuesday state?

The state party deserves everything it got--including Hillary. If it comes between her and McCain, I'm going McCain all the way.

[scbelle]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

CO-SIGN!

I'm from Florida--although I haven't lived there permanently for almost 10 years, I'm still registered there, since after 2000 we learned exactly how important the state was, and, let's face it, NY is hardly a battleground state. I'm not mad at the DNC for shutting out Florida, I'm embarassed by the state party for being stupid. What was wrong with being a Super Tuesday state?

The state party deserves everything it got--including Hillary. If it comes between her and McCain, I'm going McCain all the way.

You and me both.