SC goes to Obama, Clinton loses black supporters...

[BabyPiNK_FL]

Did anyone see Nightline (i think it was nightline) on ABC tonight? Obama is in Kansas promoting the mid-western roots and values that he got from his grandfather and mother. And I have no problem with that. But wasn't he the ultimate black man no less than three days ago? That's why I hate when race becomes the focus, because now (even though he's not really) it's just funny to see him look as if he's going back on his so called "blackness". The interviewer even had the nerve to ask him something along the lines he's promoting his "white family" to Kansas.

I'm so glad he got his butt whooped in Florida. Then he had the nerve to say that they're 50% -50% in reality b/c people were voting on name recognition because they were not allowed to campaign. Bullsh!t Barack! We just don't like you! It broke my heart to see Edwards still doing so bad...he deserves better. At least I can say I voted for him even though I'm glad Hillary won. (She even had her winning rally where I had my prom!! Had I known I would have gone!) It burns me-I'm seething-that we don't get to count! Why would our party burn us this way! If voting hadn't mattered to me, I would have stayed home.

Guiliani aka "Mayor 9-11 New York 9-11 WTC America" is apparently ready to put his tail between his legs (after coming in 3rd) and advocate for McCain (who only got 30-odd percent but it was enough to win when votes were split four ways!) It's about time! If you can't win in a state that has more NYers than NY then it's just a damn lost cause! Romney was second and Huckabee was 4th. I'm just praying we don't EVER see a McCain-Guiliani ballot! Or anything with Obama on it again for that matter.

[scbelle]

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Well, if Florida Dems wanted their votes to count so badly, they should have petitioned the state party to play by the rules. Front-loading the primary season is bad for the party, for politics, and for America. That's one of the reasons we've been discussing a lack of defined agendas. The candidates simply don't have the time because states who feel self-important keep moving their primaries up.

As for the Obama remarks, wow. just wow. He's never touted his race, black, white or otherwise. In fact, all of the pundits I've heard who've been watching the campaign say that he's been very deft at not bringing race into the discussion. It was the Clinton campaign that brought all that crap into focus, along with the media. I think what he's doing in the Midwest is paying homage to his roots as far as values are concerned. Midwesterners are a lot like Southerners. We have deep-rooted values. And I don't think you have to be white to have them.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by scbelle

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As for the Obama remarks, wow. just wow. He's never touted his race, black, white or otherwise. In fact, all of the pundits I've heard who've been watching the campaign say that he's been very deft at not bringing race into the discussion. It was the Clinton campaign that brought all that crap into focus, along with the media. I think what he's doing in the Midwest is paying homage to his roots as far as values are concerned. Midwesterners are a lot like Southerners. We have deep-rooted values. And I don't think you have to be white to have them.

Ok, let me start off by saying I am Obama fan, and I LOATHE the Clintons... BUT!!!!! The Clinton campaign didn't bring this in perspective. No, first, Obama didn't have the black vote, so the media brought it into perspective last summer. Then the recent stuff started when Clinton was connecting MLK's achievement to the importance of being president, by saying it MLK to do all this, and it took LBJ to do that. ALL TOO TRUE, and MLK was only in the mix due to the holiday. She didn't bring up the race card, she was merely making a statement that shows the importance of a good pres. THEN, the obama campaign (NOT OBAMA, but some of his supporters) called fowl that H.C. was under-minding MLK's achievements. This is where the media stepped in an made it a Black man standing up for a black man against he rich white lady. The race card also got played in FROM THE MEDIA with the whole issue dating back to this summer, that S.C. has a shit ton of black voters, and Obama wasn't black enough, and black votings wondering if the rest of America was not racist enough, so Obama could have a chance. That is how the whole race card jizz started, so don't give the Clintons the CREDIT for starting something that has come really important to the election (but shouldn't be). The only thing they were capable of doing was staying on the news, and there for playing into this whole race issue the best they could. Otherwise, you are letting the Clinton sound like masterminds, and really, they are more like Steve Martin and Bernadette Peters from 'the Jerk.'

[scbelle]

I now loathe the Clintons as well. But don't take Bill's mastermind credentials away from him. I did mention in my post that the media also took the race ball and ran with it, but I can see what you mean as far as the Clintons using it. He was all, "Well, Hillary will probably lose in SC because all the blacks will vote for Obama", trying to make him a "black" candidate (whatever that is). And then after the election, once again he tried to marginalize Obama again by making a reference to Jesse Jackson's presidential bid in 1984 and 1988. He said, "Jesse Jackson won the state in 1984 and 1988 because he ran a good campaign in SC, and I think Obama has run a good campaign here." WTF? he could have compared Obama to himself in 1992, but he didn't. He did that hoping to stick it to Obama with whites in the states voting on Super Tuesday because he knew he had to do something to stop the momentum. So he took a page from the Republican playbook. yuck. Obviously, the man is slipping because everyone with half a brain realized what he was trying to do. But I think the main point I wanted to express is that Obama has been trying to run without being a candidate who is tied to a specific race.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by scbelle

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Well, if Florida Dems wanted their votes to count so badly, they should have petitioned the state party to play by the rules. Front-loading the primary season is bad for the party, for politics, and for America. That's one of the reasons we've been discussing a lack of defined agendas. The candidates simply don't have the time because states who feel self-important keep moving their primaries up.

CO-SIGN!

I'm from Florida--although I haven't lived there permanently for almost 10 years, I'm still registered there, since after 2000 we learned exactly how important the state was, and, let's face it, NY is hardly a battleground state. I'm not mad at the DNC for shutting out Florida, I'm embarassed by the state party for being stupid. What was wrong with being a Super Tuesday state?

The state party deserves everything it got--including Hillary. If it comes between her and McCain, I'm going McCain all the way.

[scbelle]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

CO-SIGN!

I'm from Florida--although I haven't lived there permanently for almost 10 years, I'm still registered there, since after 2000 we learned exactly how important the state was, and, let's face it, NY is hardly a battleground state. I'm not mad at the DNC for shutting out Florida, I'm embarassed by the state party for being stupid. What was wrong with being a Super Tuesday state?

The state party deserves everything it got--including Hillary. If it comes between her and McCain, I'm going McCain all the way.

You and me both.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

I'm so glad he got his butt whooped in Florida.

[From the Washington Post]

Yes, Clinton, as expected, beat Barack Obama by a wide margin in the Florida primary. But all the Democratic candidates had agreed months ago to boycott the contest after the Democratic National Committee stripped Florida of its delegates to punish the state for moving up its primary date. The result was a primary without purpose, a show about nothing.


But in a political stunt worthy of the late Evel Knievel, the Clinton campaign decided to put on an ersatz victory party that, it hoped, would erase memories of Obama's actual victory Saturday night in South Carolina's Democratic primary. "Thank you, Florida Democrats!" Clinton shouted to the cheering throng. "I am thrilled to have this vote of confidence."



Interesting.

[alum]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?nav=hcmodule

Time will tell if they are right.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

Did anyone see Nightline (i think it was nightline) on ABC tonight? Obama is in Kansas promoting the mid-western roots and values that he got from his grandfather and mother. And I have no problem with that. But wasn't he the ultimate black man no less than three days ago? That's why I hate when race becomes the focus, because now (even though he's not really) it's just funny to see him look as if he's going back on his so called "blackness". The interviewer even had the nerve to ask him something along the lines he's promoting his "white family" to Kansas.

I'm so glad he got his butt whooped in Florida. Then he had the nerve to say that they're 50% -50% in reality b/c people were voting on name recognition because they were not allowed to campaign. Bullsh!t Barack! We just don't like you! It broke my heart to see Edwards still doing so bad...he deserves better. At least I can say I voted for him even though I'm glad Hillary won. (She even had her winning rally where I had my prom!! Had I known I would have gone!) It burns me-I'm seething-that we don't get to count! Why would our party burn us this way! If voting hadn't mattered to me, I would have stayed home.

Guiliani aka "Mayor 9-11 New York 9-11 WTC America" is apparently ready to put his tail between his legs (after coming in 3rd) and advocate for McCain (who only got 30-odd percent but it was enough to win when votes were split four ways!) It's about time! If you can't win in a state that has more NYers than NY then it's just a damn lost cause! Romney was second and Huckabee was 4th. I'm just praying we don't EVER see a McCain-Guiliani ballot! Or anything with Obama on it again for that matter.

Awwww.......so tell us how you really feel about Obama

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

Did anyone see Nightline (i think it was nightline) on ABC tonight? Obama is in Kansas promoting the mid-western roots and values that he got from his grandfather and mother. And I have no problem with that. But wasn't he the ultimate black man no less than three days ago? That's why I hate when race becomes the focus, because now (even though he's not really) it's just funny to see him look as if he's going back on his so called "blackness". The interviewer even had the nerve to ask him something along the lines he's promoting his "white family" to Kansas.

Candidates connect with voters.

If white candidates can predictably show up at black churches to mingle with black voters then black candidates can discuss Kansas roots with Kansas voters. The white candidates are still white and the black candidate is stll black.

And, yes, race matters in elections because it matters everyday in America. Obama didn't make race matter.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Candidates connect with voters.

If white candidates can predictably show up at black churches to mingle with black voters then black candidates can discuss Kansas roots with Kansas voters. The white candidates are still white and the black candidate is stll black.

And, yes, race matters in elections because it matters everyday in America. Obama didn't make race matter.

DSTCHAOS for president!