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Originally Posted by JonoBN41
More information can be found at Science Daily.
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Science Daily is NOT a true trade journal for biomedical and biotech sciences. It is interesting factoids relatively based in science. I typically have to read,
Science,
Nature and all the compendium journals,
JAMA and
NEJM; then cross reference them grants submitted to NIH to get full facts.
Now if the top US scientists at Harvard, Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, UMDNY, Cornell, NYU, MIT, Duke Southwestern, UCB, UCSF, UCLA, UW, UColorado, Northwestern, Chicago, and may others etc. are lying about their research, then all have completely had the wool pulled over our eyes.
I just go by what my physician friends in the ER have to see on a daily basis. And since the Baby Boomers are aging, they will be the ones that are coming in with these combined complications--diabetes + cancer, heart attack + cancer, stroke + cancer. That chit is not funny when you have it... Till you are walking through wards or deal with a loved one who suffering these problems or yourself hooked up to 0.5% Saline + morphine drip easing your pain 'cuz your case is terminal up in hospice, then do not come to us crying about this reality... Based on population alone, this healthcare fiasco is going to get worse...
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Originally Posted by jmagnus
Monet,
I have to admit that your science talk confuses the hell out of me. You are uber-smart...I get it. If you wouldn't mind though, I would appreciate it if you could "dumb it down" a little. I'm sure you make good points but if I have to google every 3rd word...It's just not worth it. Also, we all know smoking isn't good for you. Thats not the argument...at least for me. I just think it's not as bad as everyone wants us to think. In fact, smoking is related to lowered risks of alzheimers and parkensens. Don't quote me on that but the info is out there if you want to look it up yourself.
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There are several other GC'ers much more smarter than me. Shinerbock, macallan, Drolefille, 33girl, valkyrie, Professor, AKA2D'91, DSTChaos, Jubilance.
OtterOX and Epchick are in medical school right now. As well as quite a few others. Apparently AlphaFrog is a former EMT. So when we are telling you these things, these are not only our professional opinions, these are all our professional experiences--on rounds or runs to help folks out. Why would we lie?
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Originally Posted by Drolefille
They believe it is something in the tobacco, not smoking itself that reduces your risk of Parkinson's and no one is recommending it to prevent the disease. Claiming that somehow this negates the known negative effects of smoking is silly. As is claiming that second-hand smoke does not negatively effect the passerby but somehow might positively do so.
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What has been shown in animal models and pathologic autopsy reports in humans is that the additives combined with highly reactive nicotine--classified as a drug substances binds various receptors in the brain: nicotinoids, opiods, cannabinoids and NMDA receptors. Each of these receptors regulate neurotransmitter release and regulation, namely norepinephrine, dopamine and possibly seratonin. Depolarization and hyperpolarization down the axons are what is at stake here. In Parkinson's, there is a problem with neuronal health as well as other cells in the brain, I think stellates and astrals, but I could be wrong. Glial cells are always an issue, too.
Why nicotine has some protective effect has not been examined. Then again, why THC decreases pain also has not been examined. Moreover, a lot is not known about many drugs we take or abuse: Cocaine or aspirin, etc.
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