Illinois Smoking Ban

[Low C Sharp]

I think everyone has to agree that this law is right on that "personal freedoms" line.

We do? That's news to me as a lawyer.

You can't run a restaurant where you let rats crawl around in the cooler. It doesn't matter whether you warn all your customers about the presence of rats; it doesn't matter whether consumers have a choice between ratty and rat-free establishments; it doesn't matter whether science has shown definitive proof that rat droppings in food causes cancer. That restaurant is a nuisance and a danger to public health, and you have to close, period.

So where's your outrage about health inspection of restaurants and the infringement of the constitutional right to sell and buy filthy food? Maybe you realize that this kind of rule is comfortably within the police power of the state. Just like the smoking ban.
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[jmagnus]

Penguin, don't even go there. If it wasn't for us FIBs, you Cheeseheads would still be trying to grow corn on rocks

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

police power of the state. Just like the smoking ban.

wow, sieg heil.

As far as Dana Reeve some articles blamed her getting lung cancer on working in nightclubs when she was younger. But if a smoker's lung cancer risk decreases this much when he quits, wouldn't it be even quicker for a nonsmoker who left a smoky environment?

I believe the IMMENSE FREAKING STRESS she was under caring for her husband for all those years is more likely what caused/aggravated the cancer, plus some people's bodies are just more susceptible. Same with Andy Kaufman (although his stress was probably more self-inflicted).

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by 33girl

But if a smoker's lung cancer risk decreases this much when he quits, wouldn't it be even quicker for a nonsmoker who left a smoky environment?

I'm not sure those statistics are accurate - I mean, it's a sales web site, and there's no citation whatsoever . . . the SG warning that said "Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health" wasn't because the risk of lung cancer would actually go down, IIRC, it was more because it wouldn't continue to increase (as it would continuously if the individual continued to smoke).

[33girl]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I'm not sure those statistics are accurate - I mean, it's a sales web site, and there's no citation whatsoever . . . the SG warning that said "Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health" wasn't because the risk of lung cancer would actually go down, IIRC, it was more because it wouldn't continue to increase (as it would continuously if the individual continued to smoke).

I've seen those statistics before, on non-sales sites, that just happened to be the first place I found a link.

This thread is starting to remind me of the OMG LEAD IN LIPSTICK email that circulates once a year or so.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

You can't run a restaurant where you let rats crawl around in the cooler. It doesn't matter whether you warn all your customers about the presence of rats; it doesn't matter whether consumers have a choice between ratty and rat-free establishments; it doesn't matter whether science has shown definitive proof that rat droppings in food causes cancer. That restaurant is a nuisance and a danger to public health, and you have to close, period.

So where's your outrage about health inspection of restaurants and the infringement of the constitutional right to sell and buy filthy food? Maybe you realize that this kind of rule is comfortably within the police power of the state. Just like the smoking ban.

Well, if you like to have hantavirus, and bubonic plaque in your food, hey, more power to you... Good luck with that. Within 2 weeks, everyone will be on respirators...

[AKA_Monet]

Seriously folks, the physiology is simple, you inhale an agent containing nicotine, formaldehyde, arsenic, benzene, etc., the tar interacts with your airways through the bronchi, etc. where there are helicobacter, bacillus and a few other interesting microorganisms, like candida, their processing of smoke is much more rapid that your alveolar cells, which some are epithelial in nature.

What these microbes put out is bizarre chiral compounds that are not biodegradable.

So when this crap is exhaled to a non-smoker, with unadulterated CTFR and a quite a few other signal transduction pathway gene products did not know to respond, what you all think happens to their microbes?

They die unless they mutate. For some people, it is not a very good thing.

That is why we physicians, scientists and public health officials try to stop it directly.