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12-16-2007, 09:22 PM
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It's actually everyone's problem.
You have to be familiar with every setting that you're in. I've seen locals and gang members fight BGLO members over strolls and other things. I know of BGLO members who have gotten shot because they were confused for someone else. It's not worth fighting or being killed over--wasn't worth it when I was an undergrad and certainly isn't worth it now. If the Bloods and Crips or other nonBGLOers have their thing, the BGLO members need to be aware of it and get out the way if necessary.
If BGLO members care so much to make a change somewhere, they should get involved with gang-oriented or other community service starting the following Monday.
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Okay, but according to your previous post, you were at an NPHC party. So are BGLO members not supposed to wear their colors and stroll at their own parties because of gang members that might be there? What members in gang infested areas should be examining is ways to make sure that gang members don't enter our parties. Having gang members at an NPHC party is not a good look and is a huge liability in regards to the safety of party goers.
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12-17-2007, 12:14 AM
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Okay, but according to your previous post, you were at an NPHC party. So are BGLO members not supposed to wear their colors and stroll at their own parties because of gang members that might be there? What members in gang infested areas should be examining is ways to make sure that gang members don't enter our parties. Having gang members at an NPHC party is not a good look and is a huge liability in regards to the safety of party goers.
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And that is when the fights begin, especially if the party is open to the general public.
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12-17-2007, 12:39 AM
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well I think folks should do some research before trying to host a party in a gang infested neighborhood...couldn't hurt in the long run to avoid any major issues....even though I acknowledge fights can break out anywhere.
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12-17-2007, 03:15 AM
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well I think folks should do some research before trying to host a party in a gang infested neighborhood...couldn't hurt in the long run to avoid any major issues....even though I acknowledge fights can break out anywhere.
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I surely did not get the impressions that the parties were purposely held in gang infested neighborhoods. The thing is public parties are intended to attract just that--the public. Especially if they are a fundraiser, which many are.
Let's not be naive about gangs--they do travel. And you may not even know that you are letting mambers into a party until it is too late. And very honestly a party of any kind, anywhere is a magnet for gang face-offs. Heck here a U of MN football player was killed attending a public club by a gang member in downtown Mpls for no real reason. We have teens killed at bustops because they were mistaken for rival gang members.
This is no joke. And if anyone thinks all that needs to be done is some research on venues and how to keep them out of the parties, then they are very naive, or they do not live in an area with gang problems.
Oh and guess what? Some gang members do go to college and join BGLOs.
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12-17-2007, 02:24 PM
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I surely did not get the impressions that the parties were purposely held in gang infested neighborhoods. The thing is public parties are intended to attract just that--the public. Especially if they are a fundraiser, which many are.
Let's not be naive about gangs--they do travel. And you may not even know that you are letting mambers into a party until it is too late. And very honestly a party of any kind, anywhere is a magnet for gang face-offs. Heck here a U of MN football player was killed attending a public club by a gang member in downtown Mpls for no real reason. We have teens killed at bustops because they were mistaken for rival gang members.
This is no joke. And if anyone thinks all that needs to be done is some research on venues and how to keep them out of the parties, then they are very naive, or they do not live in an area with gang problems.
Oh and guess what? Some gang members do go to college and join BGLOs.
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I am very much aware of gangs, I grew up in one of the largest gang areas in the Midwest...I know gangs do travel, I think it would be best to minimize the possibilities of gang fights if the venue were held somewhere not identified as a gang zone. Also, the average age that people leave gangs is 19, while former gang members join BGLO's, that shift in life (going to college, growing out of gangs, getting married, etc.), will detach them from gangs so that should not be a worry (It may be difficult for them, but for the most part this is how people leave gangs).
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12-17-2007, 02:29 PM
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I grew up in one of the largest gang areas in the Midwest.
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LOLZ. Unless you're talking Chicago, the Midwest is not exactly known for gangs.
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12-17-2007, 02:30 PM
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LOLZ. Unless you're talking Chicago, the Midwest is not exactly known for gangs.
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Yup! South Side of Chicago!
Also, that's a dangerous assumption, there are other cities in the Midwest whose gang problems get downplayed, e.g. St. Louis, Gary, IN, Detroit, Cleveland, etc. Chicago is not the only one with a severe gang problem, and hopefully people don't look at Chicago as the sole representative for gang issues.
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12-19-2007, 01:53 AM
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LOLZ. Unless you're talking Chicago, the Midwest is not exactly known for gangs.
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...............Really, I beg to differ.
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12-17-2007, 02:57 PM
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I am very much aware of gangs, I grew up in one of the largest gang areas in the Midwest...I know gangs do travel, I think it would be best to minimize the possibilities of gang fights if the venue were held somewhere not identified as a gang zone. Also, the average age that people leave gangs is 19, while former gang members join BGLO's, that shift in life (going to college, growing out of gangs, getting married, etc.), will detach them from gangs so that should not be a worry (It may be difficult for them, but for the most part this is how people leave gangs).
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But my point is that mentality has invaded college campuses. I have seen it first hand. And yes they basically traded one gang for another (in their minds) when joining a BGLO, thus the continued hazing.
I should tell you that I am an old head that has experienced a lot of life, probably before you were even born. And your solutions are not that simple.
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12-17-2007, 03:15 PM
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I never said they would be simple solutions...but it's a start...I've experienced the 'college thugs' as some call em, and know of folks who have returned to their hometown after school and yet still found themselves in the same situation as when they left.
If someone is very into the gang lifestyle and they are seeking membership, I don't really think it is wise for the organization to give them a bid unless they have a real sit down and have an understanding before they undertake their Membership Intake, if you're just taking folks without knowing really where they are coming from then we can expect this behavior to continue...I feel this would help shake off the cobwebs they (those interested) have and the misperceptions they have of GLO's as "college gangs"
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12-17-2007, 04:42 PM
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But my point is that mentality has invaded college campuses. I have seen it first hand. And yes they basically traded one gang for another (in their minds) when joining a BGLO, thus the continued hazing.
I should tell you that I am an old head that has experienced a lot of life, probably before you were even born. And your solutions are not that simple.
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Maybe this is true for certain chapters but our organizations are national and most chapters have not been inspired by gang activity...not at all. I live and was initiated in an area where there is no known gang activity and yet the hazing still goes on and no one is thinking about a gang. The reasons for why hazing continues (especially among the fraternities) is much deeper and complex than this. The book "African-American Fraternities and Sororities: The Legacy and the Vision" offers some interesting ideas and insight into the Why's of hazing in BGLO's.
And yes I know that you are a seasoned NPHC member and that you have a great deal of knowledge/wisdom to share but I also know that when it comes to the hazing thing (as it is today), the newer heads are just more in touch than a lot of the old heads are. Some of us have been through it ourselves, observed it, been involved in it, so the why's are a bit more clear to us whether we agree with it or not.
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12-17-2007, 11:11 AM
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And that is when the fights begin, especially if the party is open to the general public.
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And this needs to stop, fundraiser or not. Undergrads need to keep their parties on their campuses. The liability is just too risky these days. It's so bad now that one of the schools that my alumnae chapter advises only permits the students (with school ID's) to enter the campus parties now (NPHC parties included). Everyone else must be on a guest list to get in and must arrive before 12:00a.m. Oh and security must be provided.
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12-17-2007, 01:32 PM
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And this needs to stop, fundraiser or not. Undergrads need to keep their parties on their campuses. The liability is just too risky these days. It's so bad now that one of the schools that my alumnae chapter advises only permits the students (with school ID's) to enter the campus parties now (NPHC parties included). Everyone else must be on a guest list to get in and must arrive before 12:00a.m. Oh and security must be provided.
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If there is a party on my campus they normally do not check IDs, but it will be over by 12, so having a party on campus for most people (at my school) is a waste of time.
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12-17-2007, 09:43 PM
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And this needs to stop, fundraiser or not. Undergrads need to keep their parties on their campuses. The liability is just too risky these days. It's so bad now that one of the schools that my alumnae chapter advises only permits the students (with school ID's) to enter the campus parties now (NPHC parties included). Everyone else must be on a guest list to get in and must arrive before 12:00a.m. Oh and security must be provided.
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Universities have different rules that prompt many chapters to take their parties off campus. Some universities do not allow nonstudents on campus and do not allow parties to have a cover charge.
That sucks when almost all of our parties are fundraisers.
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12-17-2007, 09:28 PM
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So are BGLO members not supposed to wear their colors and stroll at their own parties because of gang members that might be there?
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That depends.
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What members in gang infested areas should be examining is ways to make sure that gang members don't enter our parties.
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In many areas, that would require a screening process that isn't available.
There are (current and former) gang members in college and in the NPHC. If the screening process failed there, why can't they be at some of these undergraduate parties (held off and on campus)?
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