NPHC Traditions and Practices that annoy you

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

This is messed up but it's not our problem. This is the very reason that some non-greeks associate our traditions with that of gangs but we shouldn't stop doing what we do because of them. Since the beginning, many clubs and organizations (greek and otherwise) have had handsigns, colors, and other traditions that these gangs are now copying.

It's actually everyone's problem.

You have to be familiar with every setting that you're in. I've seen locals and gang members fight BGLO members over strolls and other things. I know of BGLO members who have gotten shot because they were confused for someone else. It's not worth fighting or being killed over--wasn't worth it when I was an undergrad and certainly isn't worth it now. If the Bloods and Crips or other nonBGLOers have their thing, the BGLO members need to be aware of it and get out the way if necessary.


If BGLO members care so much to make a change somewhere, they should get involved with gang-oriented or other community service starting the following Monday.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

It's actually everyone's problem.

You have to be familiar with every setting that you're in. I've seen locals and gang members fight BGLO members over strolls and other things. I know of BGLO members who have gotten shot because they were confused for someone else. It's not worth fighting or being killed over--wasn't worth it when I was an undergrad and certainly isn't worth it now. If the Bloods and Crips or other nonBGLOers have their thing, the BGLO members need to be aware of it and get out the way if necessary.

If BGLO members care so much to make a change somewhere, they should get involved with gang-oriented or other community service starting the following Monday.

Okay, but according to your previous post, you were at an NPHC party. So are BGLO members not supposed to wear their colors and stroll at their own parties because of gang members that might be there? What members in gang infested areas should be examining is ways to make sure that gang members don't enter our parties. Having gang members at an NPHC party is not a good look and is a huge liability in regards to the safety of party goers.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

Okay, but according to your previous post, you were at an NPHC party. So are BGLO members not supposed to wear their colors and stroll at their own parties because of gang members that might be there? What members in gang infested areas should be examining is ways to make sure that gang members don't enter our parties. Having gang members at an NPHC party is not a good look and is a huge liability in regards to the safety of party goers.

And that is when the fights begin, especially if the party is open to the general public.

[TotallyWicked]

well I think folks should do some research before trying to host a party in a gang infested neighborhood...couldn't hurt in the long run to avoid any major issues....even though I acknowledge fights can break out anywhere.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by TotallyWicked

well I think folks should do some research before trying to host a party in a gang infested neighborhood...couldn't hurt in the long run to avoid any major issues....even though I acknowledge fights can break out anywhere.

I surely did not get the impressions that the parties were purposely held in gang infested neighborhoods. The thing is public parties are intended to attract just that--the public. Especially if they are a fundraiser, which many are.

Let's not be naive about gangs--they do travel. And you may not even know that you are letting mambers into a party until it is too late. And very honestly a party of any kind, anywhere is a magnet for gang face-offs. Heck here a U of MN football player was killed attending a public club by a gang member in downtown Mpls for no real reason. We have teens killed at bustops because they were mistaken for rival gang members.

This is no joke. And if anyone thinks all that needs to be done is some research on venues and how to keep them out of the parties, then they are very naive, or they do not live in an area with gang problems.

Oh and guess what? Some gang members do go to college and join BGLOs.

[TotallyWicked]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I surely did not get the impressions that the parties were purposely held in gang infested neighborhoods. The thing is public parties are intended to attract just that--the public. Especially if they are a fundraiser, which many are.

Let's not be naive about gangs--they do travel. And you may not even know that you are letting mambers into a party until it is too late. And very honestly a party of any kind, anywhere is a magnet for gang face-offs. Heck here a U of MN football player was killed attending a public club by a gang member in downtown Mpls for no real reason. We have teens killed at bustops because they were mistaken for rival gang members.

This is no joke. And if anyone thinks all that needs to be done is some research on venues and how to keep them out of the parties, then they are very naive, or they do not live in an area with gang problems.

Oh and guess what? Some gang members do go to college and join BGLOs.

I am very much aware of gangs, I grew up in one of the largest gang areas in the Midwest...I know gangs do travel, I think it would be best to minimize the possibilities of gang fights if the venue were held somewhere not identified as a gang zone. Also, the average age that people leave gangs is 19, while former gang members join BGLO's, that shift in life (going to college, growing out of gangs, getting married, etc.), will detach them from gangs so that should not be a worry (It may be difficult for them, but for the most part this is how people leave gangs).

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by TotallyWicked

I grew up in one of the largest gang areas in the Midwest.

LOLZ. Unless you're talking Chicago, the Midwest is not exactly known for gangs.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by TotallyWicked

I am very much aware of gangs, I grew up in one of the largest gang areas in the Midwest...I know gangs do travel, I think it would be best to minimize the possibilities of gang fights if the venue were held somewhere not identified as a gang zone. Also, the average age that people leave gangs is 19, while former gang members join BGLO's, that shift in life (going to college, growing out of gangs, getting married, etc.), will detach them from gangs so that should not be a worry (It may be difficult for them, but for the most part this is how people leave gangs).

But my point is that mentality has invaded college campuses. I have seen it first hand. And yes they basically traded one gang for another (in their minds) when joining a BGLO, thus the continued hazing.

I should tell you that I am an old head that has experienced a lot of life, probably before you were even born. And your solutions are not that simple.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

And that is when the fights begin, especially if the party is open to the general public.

And this needs to stop, fundraiser or not. Undergrads need to keep their parties on their campuses. The liability is just too risky these days. It's so bad now that one of the schools that my alumnae chapter advises only permits the students (with school ID's) to enter the campus parties now (NPHC parties included). Everyone else must be on a guest list to get in and must arrive before 12:00a.m. Oh and security must be provided.

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

And this needs to stop, fundraiser or not. Undergrads need to keep their parties on their campuses. The liability is just too risky these days. It's so bad now that one of the schools that my alumnae chapter advises only permits the students (with school ID's) to enter the campus parties now (NPHC parties included). Everyone else must be on a guest list to get in and must arrive before 12:00a.m. Oh and security must be provided.

If there is a party on my campus they normally do not check IDs, but it will be over by 12, so having a party on campus for most people (at my school) is a waste of time.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

And this needs to stop, fundraiser or not. Undergrads need to keep their parties on their campuses. The liability is just too risky these days. It's so bad now that one of the schools that my alumnae chapter advises only permits the students (with school ID's) to enter the campus parties now (NPHC parties included). Everyone else must be on a guest list to get in and must arrive before 12:00a.m. Oh and security must be provided.

Universities have different rules that prompt many chapters to take their parties off campus. Some universities do not allow nonstudents on campus and do not allow parties to have a cover charge.

That sucks when almost all of our parties are fundraisers.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

So are BGLO members not supposed to wear their colors and stroll at their own parties because of gang members that might be there?

That depends.

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

What members in gang infested areas should be examining is ways to make sure that gang members don't enter our parties.

In many areas, that would require a screening process that isn't available.

There are (current and former) gang members in college and in the NPHC. If the screening process failed there, why can't they be at some of these undergraduate parties (held off and on campus)?