So is imitation really the sincerest form of flattery?

[MeezDiscreet]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Why can't you join us in something that we do? Do we have to put in 90% of the effort? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.

You don't have to do a damn thing and neither do we. I was never pressed to join in with the activities on campus because I thought they were silly (fight nights, foam parties, etc.) so I never pressed any of the members I brought in to either--didn't give a damn one way or the other. My chapter was so active with programs on campus and off. BUT, it bothered me that we when we were approached, we were asked to step.

[OOhsoflyDELTA#9]

Flame if you like, but I'm cool with us being separate....I can't begin to say that I understand how or why things are done the way they are on that side and I'm sure thats some on the other side feel the same about my side..I didn't feel slighted in the least that NPC/IFC had their Greek Week at my school and that my chapter had our own Founder's Week....I didn't feel compelled to encourage my chapter members to participate in "Air Band" nor did I feel compelled to teach or help anyone step....its ok if we don't all hold hands and sing camp songs, really it is....ya'll do ya'll, we'll do us...it's ok...as long as everyone shows respect for everyone else, just go about your org's business.....my org focuses on addressing the issues in our community, if you don't share that community than you may have little interest in that focus...again, IT'S OK!!! I just honestly don't get why people get so bent out of shape about this topic...

[12dn94dst]

Originally Posted by OOhsoflyDELTA#9

I just honestly don't get why people get so bent out of shape about this topic...

soror, we're ::here::

[PrettyInPink777]

Originally Posted by OOhsoflyDELTA#9

Flame if you like, but I'm cool with us being separate....I can't begin to say that I understand how or why things are done the way they are on that side and I'm sure thats some on the other side feel the same about my side..I didn't feel slighted in the least that NPC/IFC had their Greek Week at my school and that my chapter had our own Founder's Week....I didn't feel compelled to encourage my chapter members to participate in "Air Band" nor did I feel compelled to teach or help anyone step....its ok if we don't all hold hands and sing camp songs, really it is....ya'll do ya'll, we'll do us...it's ok...as long as everyone shows respect for everyone else, just go about your org's business.....my org focuses on addressing the issues in our community, if you don't share that community than you may have little interest in that focus...again, IT'S OK!!! I just honestly don't get why people get so bent out of shape about this topic...

Amen.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think the problem is that national websites really don't give NPC greeks a grasp of NPHC structure. It doesn't really get lines of communication open either.

Perhaps I'm too idealistic, but I'd love to see XYZ invite ABC to their event. ABC cannot attend, but replies and suggests another possible event. Crazy huh? I wish that sort of invitation had been offered to our chapter when Sigma Gamma Rho had an event at Harris Stowe. And I do wish that our campus had worked more to get the NPHC groups some sort of campus status so the invitations could have worked the other way too.

But the websites do tell you what our programmatic thrusts are, which is my main point.

Dang Harris Stowe. I was homesick for a second there. But now I see what you mean about the citywides--I forgot you were in the Lou.

The ironic thing is our Alpha Omega chapter started as campus-based at Harris, but Wash U., STLU, Webster, Fontbonne, etc. would not allow chapters, so Alpha Omega was redesignated (by Delta) as a citywide because we wanted to encompass as many African American women as we could. At the time Harris Stowe still recognized us as a campus org and we were able to use the facilities, etc. (I was a member while I did my college internship at home.)

Delta at one time also had a campus-based at UMSL, but it dwindled and they too became part of Alpha Omega citywide.

Here in the Twins, our collegiate chapter is also a citywide. But since the members of the chapter who attend the U of M (the majority) pay student fees, the chapter can function as if it was based at the U.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Why can't you join us in something that we do? Do we have to put in 90% of the effort? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.

Because you all seem to be the ones affected by this. We are not. And have you not read anything I have said? We have are own programmatic thrusts targeted to the Black community. We set our service calendars at the beginning of our program year, and trust they are full. And in most cases not conducive to adding anything later on that is not part of our focus for the sororal/fraternal year. The last part of the previous sentence is the KEY.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Because you all seem to be the ones affected by this. We are not.

Of course we are. When we have our Chapter of Excellence reports at our schools, they tell us, "Why don't you do things with minority GLOs?" They ask us, "Why is your chapter 90% white?" [I go to a school with [I'd guess] about 95% WASPs.] We are being constantly told that we need to do as much as possible with NPHC groups, and our status as affiliated members on our campus can be affected by this. Yet, despite the fact that we try, we cannot gain any ground.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Of course we are. When we have our Chapter of Excellence reports at our schools, they tell us, "Why don't you do things with minority GLOs?" They ask us, "Why is your chapter 90% white?" [I go to a school with [I'd guess] about 95% WASPs.] We are being constantly told that we need to do as much as possible with NPHC groups, and our status as affiliated members on our campus can be affected by this. Yet, despite the fact that we try, we cannot gain any ground.

Go back and read my edit. Plus, your problem with your school should not become ours. And from what you just said you only want us to participate with you to keep your status as an affiliate from being negatively impacted. We are not here to be your saviours.

[fantASTic]

The edit helps. I didn't realize your calendar was set in stone like that. I can see that being a good way to help reduce overscheduling or conflicts. And no, it's not your problem. But I fail to see why people make a huge deal when an NPC sorority refuses to cooperate with an NPHC group, but not when an NPHC sorority refuses to do the same with an NPC group. If it's not your problem, then why do we hear people complaining about it all the time?

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

The edit helps. I didn't realize your calendar was set in stone like that. I can see that being a good way to help reduce overscheduling or conflicts. And no, it's not your problem. But I fail to see why people make a huge deal when an NPC sorority refuses to cooperate with an NPHC group, but not when an NPHC sorority refuses to do the same with an NPC group. If it's not your problem, then why do we hear people complaining about it all the time?

Where have folx complained about NPC not cooperating with NPHC? Serious question.

[PrettyInPink777]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Of course we are. When we have our Chapter of Excellence reports at our schools, they tell us, "Why don't you do things with minority GLOs?" They ask us, "Why is your chapter 90% white?" [I go to a school with [I'd guess] about 95% WASPs.] We are being constantly told that we need to do as much as possible with NPHC groups, and our status as affiliated members on our campus can be affected by this. Yet, despite the fact that we try, we cannot gain any ground.

Well that is your imperative, not ours. We are accountable to accomplish our own missions ..... You are accountable to accomplish yours. It would be time well spent to have 'real' conversations with the 'real' BGLOs with whom you are unsuccessfully trying to collaborate. There are certainly reasons that perhaps can be addressed and resolved, bridges that can be built ....If you are being rebuffed, it's for a reason. Can you honestly say that you know the reason and have attempted to address it? It's easier to make up a story about why it's happening instead of finding out why.

"Wisdom is the principal thing, therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting, get understanding."

[fantASTic]

I pointed out earlier about the COE reports; there's one group. Greek life councils get on our butts about it hardcore [on the IFC groups, too]. Even the PHC makes a point to tell us all the time to schedule things with NPHC groups. They fail to mention that it's damn near impossible.

ETA: The thing, I think, that really grinds my gears about this is that there are some women [I don't know a whole lot, so primarily AKAs] that I have met through other campus activities whom I really like. I would love to spend time with them! I have tried to get socials or something organized with them, but we never get a response from anyone. And that really sucks!

[Ilaria Ame]

soooo...this thread has gone way off course, but i'd just like to say that this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5K1cBBB4fw --the SGRho's with blindfolds from page 1) is so flippin fiya. that is all.

[Ilaria Ame]

ok now i have an opinion. i know it's not like this on every campus, but here's my gripe. sure, NPC/IFC and NPHC have separate events. duh. but tell me why not a DAMN group wants to have just one event per semester that incorporates everyone. i'm trying to plan unity day for october 24th (and have been since before the semester started) but no one from any org seems to be interested in getting together. nooooo onnnnneeeee. arg. not asking advice; just a comment. i'm very frustrated

[PrettyInPink777]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

ETA: The thing, I think, that really grinds my gears about this is that there are some women [I don't know a whole lot, so primarily AKAs] that I have met through other campus activities whom I really like. I would love to spend time with them! I have tried to get socials or something organized with them, but we never get a response from anyone. And that really sucks!

I'd imagine this is really frustrating -- to reach out genuinely and get no response. What did they say when you inquired about the lack of response? What was the reason?