So is imitation really the sincerest form of flattery?

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

A huge difference that is not being expressed here is that NPHC groups tend to have a multi-pronged platform (such as DST's Five Point Programmatic Thrust or the 10 nationally mandated programs that are part of Omega Psi Phi's mission) whereas many of the NPC/IFC organizations that I have encountered have ONE (or two) philanthropy through which most of their service is focused. When you look at 5 members working on at least 5 programs versus 50 members working on one, well....you do the math.

Right. We have mandated programs from our national board. If raising awareness of cervical cancer is not among them, we would not have the time to do such a project. For example, our health initiative right now is obesity. So that is on what our chapters are focusing.

[SWTXBelle]

Then sponsor a speaker on obesity - while NPC groups have a primary philanthrophy, they are also encouraged to do local projects. And they also are encouraged to support other GLO's philanthropic projects.
So kill two birds with one stone - meet the goals of your NGLO, and provide an opportunity for Greeks to work together. (Not to mention that sponsoring a speaker would not require much in the way of group effort - if, for whatever reason, the NPHC group is not a campus group, having the NPC co-sponsor it would enable campus facilities to be used.)
Like I said earlier, women's issues are women's issues - they concern all of us.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Core chapters are chapters that are located on more than one college campus. There are often not enough people to charter a chapter at a particular school so they will become part of another school's chapter. The problem arises when there are so few people on a campus who are interested in an organization, the only person from that chapter on that campus has graduated, etc.. Some schools will petition to have the core status removed and not allow the organization to be recognized on the campus. They sometimes won't allow the chapter to have programs on the campus to get the core charter back or even walk around campus in 'nalia.

So they are campus organizations on multiple campuses? Using St. Louis as an example, they'd be a campus organization at Harris Stowe, SLU, and Wash U, instead of being a city-wide St. Louis chapter. I think I follow. Then the last SLU XYZ graduates and *poof* no more XYZ at SLU so they're removed from the roster. Then as non-campus organizations they can't advertise, etc. Holy Death Spiral Batman!

On one hand I can see the school's point, how is this a campus organization if there are no students involved in it? On the other hand I see how the chapter is getting shafted by the policy. And it's almost certainly not a scenario the institution or the student government envisioned when they set the policies in the first place. (And those tend to be focused on liability issues more than anything else).

Thanks for the info. Just when I think I'm getting to know this Greek business, I learn more

[Sugar08]

Originally Posted by Little32

/hijack

The conversation that has taken place in this thread, among others, is why I went to an HBCU. Sure, we had other divisive issues--class being one of the main ones--but we did not have this to contend with.

/end hijack

Soror... we're ::here::

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

A huge difference that is not being expressed here is that NPHC groups tend to have a multi-pronged platform (such as DST's Five Point Programmatic Thrust or the 10 nationally mandated programs that are part of Omega Psi Phi's mission) whereas many of the NPC/IFC organizations that I have encountered have ONE (or two) philanthropy through which most of their service is focused. When you look at 5 members working on at least 5 programs versus 50 members working on one, well....you do the math.

Don't generalize. AST has both a national philanthropy and a national service project, and my chapter is affiliated with four local places that we volunteer at too. Just because we don't nationally mandate it doesn't mean we don't volunteer. We just don't have to be told exactly what to volunteer at by Nationals.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Don't generalize. AST has both a national philanthropy and a national service project, and my chapter is affiliated with four local places that we volunteer at too. Just because we don't nationally mandate it doesn't mean we don't volunteer. We just don't have to be told exactly what to volunteer at by Nationals.

And neither do we.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Don't generalize. AST has both a national philanthropy and a national service project, and my chapter is affiliated with four local places that we volunteer at too. Just because we don't nationally mandate it doesn't mean we don't volunteer. We just don't have to be told exactly what to volunteer at by Nationals.

It's still a matter of 5 members working on 5 programs rather than 50 working on five...

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Continuing with what Gypsyboots said - why can't NPC and NPHC sponsor a speaker - on any of a variety of women's issues - cervical and breast cancer, self-defense, STDs, abusive relationships, etc. - and make sure all the groups are encouraged to attend? That way, you are providing a service to the community which doesn't rely on numbers (so both groups would get equal credit, and no group would feel slighted) and provide a positive opportunity to present ALL greeks as united in a common cause? I'm not currently involved on a college campus, or I would be on this!

I was respondind to a common them in this thread that the NPC has asked NPHC to partner with them on a parricular topic. The example given was cervical cancer. I was merely explaining a most likely reason why there was not participation.

Plus I don't see NPHCers complaining about being able to get NPCers to work with them--just the opposite. So my point is to the NPCers understand our structure amd our programming (just visit our websites) and then ask to partner on a topic that is within our national thrusts.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Don't generalize. AST has both a national philanthropy and a national service project, and my chapter is affiliated with four local places that we volunteer at too. Just because we don't nationally mandate it doesn't mean we don't volunteer. We just don't have to be told exactly what to volunteer at by Nationals.

No one is saying you don't volunteer. And we are not told exactly either. We are given a focus and each chapter can implement the best way they see fit.

See the NPHC seems to think that having 600-800 chapters--collegiate and alumnae, national and international all working on the same thrust would have a greater national impact in our communities. Silly us.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I was respondind to a common them in this thread that the NPC has asked NPHC to partner with them on a parricular topic. The example given was cervical cancer. I was merely explaining a most likely reason why there was not participation.

Plus I don't see NPHCers complaining about being able to get NPCers to work with them--just the opposite. So my point is to the NPCers understand our structure amd our programming (just visit our websites) and then ask to partner on a topic that is within our national thrusts.

Why can't you join us in something that we do? Do we have to put in 90% of the effort? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

And didn't white fraternities contribute to the ritualistic foundations of your fraternity?

No

[PrettyBoy]

=Animate;1526671 PrettyBoy explained his point of view for anyone that wanted to read it. Whether or not you agree with him is on you.

Exactly Animate, because I'm damn sure not changing my opinion for these jokers.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Please don't go there! The Nupes have a Loving Cup song, right? Did they not somehow "steal" the concept from Beta Theta Pi?

Beta Theta who? Never heard of em'.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Little32

/hijack

The conversation that has taken place in this thread, among others, is why I went to an HBCU. Sure, we had other divisive issues--class being one of the main ones--but we did not have this to contend with.

/end hijack

I went to an HBCU too, so I feel you on that.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I was respondind to a common them in this thread that the NPC has asked NPHC to partner with them on a parricular topic. The example given was cervical cancer. I was merely explaining a most likely reason why there was not participation.

Plus I don't see NPHCers complaining about being able to get NPCers to work with them--just the opposite. So my point is to the NPCers understand our structure amd our programming (just visit our websites) and then ask to partner on a topic that is within our national thrusts.

I think the problem is that national websites really don't give NPC greeks a grasp of NPHC structure. It doesn't really get lines of communication open either.

Perhaps I'm too idealistic, but I'd love to see XYZ invite ABC to their event. ABC cannot attend, but replies and suggests another possible event. Crazy huh? I wish that sort of invitation had been offered to our chapter when Sigma Gamma Rho had an event at Harris Stowe. And I do wish that our campus had worked more to get the NPHC groups some sort of campus status so the invitations could have worked the other way too.