JENA 6

Kevin · #1 09-20-2007, 03:57 PM

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It's not.

Okay.. and it was reduced to 2nd degree aggravated battery. So I guess the prosecutor agrees with you.

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Easy to say that, since you weren't there and you have no experience with public defenders. For those of us with family members who have been through the public "justice" system... well, we know that public defenders often do a shoddy job of defense. Granted, it's not always out of malicious intent, sometimes they are simply overworked and underfunded.

You tell me what a winning defense strategy would be when there are dozens of eye witnesses to the crime?

Sugar08 · #2 09-20-2007, 04:02 PM

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Okay.. and it was reduced to 2nd degree aggravated battery. So I guess the prosecutor agrees with you.

Sure... after thousands of people had to come together to decry this foolishness. If this had slipped under the radar of the public (like 100 other cases do every day) then I'm sure that boy and the others would have been completely SOL.

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You tell me what a winning defense strategy would be when there are dozens of eye witnesses to the crime?

I have no idea. I didn't go to law school.

Kevin · #3 09-20-2007, 04:42 PM

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Sure... after thousands of people had to come together to decry this foolishness. If this had slipped under the radar of the public (like 100 other cases do every day) then I'm sure that boy and the others would have been completely SOL.

When this case was at trial, was it even all that controversial? The charge would have been reduced either before the trial or during it. I hadn't heard of it. Prosecutors reduce charges for a variety of reasons. that it was in response to public outcry is mere speculation on your part.

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I have no idea. I didn't go to law school.

Ah.. but you can tell me that the public defender did a piss poor job? I'm having a hard time reconciling that statement with the above. Apparently, the P.D. did a bad job, but you don't know why. Is that accurate?

Sugar08 · #4 09-20-2007, 05:08 PM

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When this case was at trial, was it even all that controversial? The charge would have been reduced either before the trial or during it. I hadn't heard of it. Prosecutors reduce charges for a variety of reasons. that it was in response to public outcry is mere speculation on your part.

Perhaps. Your supposition that the charge would have been reduced due to "a variety of reasons" is also speculation.

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Ah.. but you can tell me that the public defender did a piss poor job? I'm having a hard time reconciling that statement with the above. Apparently, the P.D. did a bad job, but you don't know why. Is that accurate?

Kevin, you're the king of saying you don't know the answer. I don't either. I never said this defender did a "piss poor job," I simply brought up the fact that it's not uncommon for defendants who can't afford an awesome team of lawyers to get the shaft, due to the PD's lack of resources.

Kevin · #5 09-20-2007, 05:16 PM

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Perhaps. Your supposition that the charge would have been reduced due to "a variety of reasons" is also speculation.

Glad we're on the same page... or at least the same chapter

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Kevin, you're the king of saying you don't know the answer. I don't either. I never said this defender did a "piss poor job," I simply brought up the fact that it's not uncommon for defendants who can't afford an awesome team of lawyers to get the shaft, due to the PD's lack of resources.

I'm not sure that even the late Johnny Cochran could have exonerated this kid. How do you overcome a group of eye-witnesses going into the double digits? If such a thing could be done, then I'd *really* think the justice system was broken.

DaemonSeid · #6 09-20-2007, 05:24 PM

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Glad we're on the same page... or at least the same chapter

I'm not sure that even the late Johnny Cochran could have exonerated this kid. How do you overcome a group of eye-witnesses going into the double digits? If such a thing could be done, then I'd *really* think the justice system was broken.

the eyewitnesses are NOT credible....

let's not forget that for ONE...he didn't get a fair trial?

why not....look at his jury....

Kevin...why don't you quit while you are way behind.

DaemonSeid · #7 09-20-2007, 05:26 PM

because it just doesn't stop....

NEXT UP

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14157648/detail.html

in GEORGIA

Kevin · #8 09-20-2007, 05:30 PM

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the eyewitnesses are NOT credible....

They saw these six people who they knew from school attack their classmate savagely. How are they not credible? You're right -- eye witness accounts are historically some of the least accurate witnesses around. When you have a whole gaggle of them though, given the conditions, etc., I can't see how you could come to that conclusion.

No one has even talked about whether or not these kids actually did what they're accused of. I've heard no alibi, no claims of innocence, etc. Are you saying that the Jena 6 were at the Dairy Queen when all this took place?

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why not....look at his jury....

Kevin...why don't you quit while you are way behind.

His jury was all white. Why? Jena, LA is 88% white. 100 jury summons were sent out. 50 people showed up. Of those 50, all were white. The jury was chosen from that pool.

Of course, now you have to make the argument that because these jurors were white, they were incapable of being unbiased.

SydneyK · #9 09-20-2007, 05:37 PM

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for ONE...he didn't get a fair trial?

why not....look at his jury....

I'm not saying this to in any way insinuate that the jury was "fair", but what could they have done? According to an earlier post, of the 50 or so people who showed up for jury duty, none of them were black. If it takes having black jurors in order to have a fair jury (in a case involving a black defendant), then why didn't any of the black people who were called for jury duty report? If none were called, then what's the option (I'm asking because I have no law experience, so I honestly don't know what a solution to this problem could've been)? In a town of 2800 people, only 12% of whom are black, it's not hard to see how the jury could easily be all white.