JENA 6

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I read a lot. You're biased. Welcome to reality.

I am biased?

Prove it.

BTW I never said I play fair......then again....I think that is what today is all about huh?

Somebody didn't play fair and shenanigans was called.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Somebody didn't play fair and shenanigans was called.

True, they did call shenanigans, and hopefully this kid will have some time to think about playing fair...in juvenile lockup.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

True, they did call shenanigans, and hopefully this kid will have some time to think about playing fair...in juvenile lockup.

shiner...now see...we can agree on that.....as long as the punishment was fair and doled out all around TO ALL GUILTY PARTIES...that would have been ok....but 80 years and tried as and adult was ridiculous.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

shiner...now see...we can agree on that.....as long as the punishment was fair and doled out all around TO ALL GUILTY PARTIES...that would have been ok....but 80 years and tried as and adult was ridiculous.

You're not gonna get any argument from me that the justice has been shadily administered thus far.

My problems are:

-The "leaders" of the black community (I use this term lightly, some black people get pissed at the generalization) blowing this situation up as if a brutal white town is destroying the lives of harmless black students.

-The obvious double standard between this, Duke, the Knoxville killings, etc.

-The obvious double standard between people claiming that laws must be administered fairly, yet this white kid deserved what he got and the young men who brutally beat him shouldn't be punished (based on what you said, this wouldn't apply to you, Daemon).

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You're not gonna get any argument from me that the justice has been shadily administered thus far.

My problems are:

-The "leaders" of the black community (I use this term lightly, some black people get pissed at the generalization) blowing this situation up as if a brutal white town is destroying the lives of harmless black students.

-The obvious double standard between this, Duke, the Knoxville killings, etc.

-The obvious double standard between people claiming that laws must be administered fairly, yet this white kid deserved what he got and the young men who brutally beat him shouldn't be punished (based on what you said, this wouldn't apply to you, Daemon).

nobody deserves an @sswhupping...well actually some do...but that is another thread.....heh

BUT...the point is...as they say...the punishment must fit the crime and I think what a lot of people are angry about is that one wrong caused another wrong and so forth and everyone is not getting punished for all the wrong doings going on and the ones that are are being punished far too harshly.

I mean...look at it...there is like a whole bunch of things that happened and kept on happening because obviously, there is a problem and Jena is showing us something that a lot of us in the world (and from what I said earlier this is true) know about the US....that justice peeks under that blindfold from time to time and deals out punishments unfairly.

[Velocity_14]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

nobody deserves an @sswhupping...well actually some do...but that is another thread.....heh

BUT...the point is...as they say...the punishment must fit the crime and I think what a lot of people are angry about is that one wrong caused another wrong and so forth and everyone is not getting punished for all the wrong doings going on and the ones that are are being punished far too harshly.

That is EXACTLY the point and that is all there is to it!

[poeticace]

Yes, soror, I wore black today. No rallies though because of work. Did you go to the actual rally in Jena?

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

nobody deserves an @sswhupping...well actually some do...but that is another thread.....heh

BUT...the point is...as they say...the punishment must fit the crime and I think what a lot of people are angry about is that one wrong caused another wrong and so forth and everyone is not getting punished for all the wrong doings going on and the ones that are are being punished far too harshly.

I mean...look at it...there is like a whole bunch of things that happened and kept on happening because obviously, there is a problem and Jena is showing us something that a lot of us in the world (and from what I said earlier this is true) know about the US....that justice peeks under that blindfold from time to time and deals out punishments unfairly.

I'm firmly in the "some people just deserve an ass kicking" camp as well. However, from what I've read most of these kids (white and black) were probably not morally qualified to administer such baseball bat justice.

Let me put it to you this way. Stuff that is happening in Jena today is what keeps people like me from caring. For an analogy...I'm not a huge Bush fan. I'm a Republican, but he pisses me off a lot. However, I'll often battle those who hate him, and refuse to get fired up about their concerns, just because I think they're ridiculous in their attacks. Its similar here. If this wasn't blown up into a sensationalized event with unsavory people suddenly being portrayed as taking the moral high ground...the legal side of me would probably care that something questionable had occurred. But instead I feel that lending my support at this point (although I'm obviously willing to question the justice doled out here), would only strengthen certain elements that I think are absurd.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I'm firmly in the "some people just deserve an ass kicking" camp as well. However, from what I've read most of these kids (white and black) were probably not morally qualified to administer such baseball bat justice.

Let me put it to you this way. Stuff that is happening in Jena today is what keeps people like me from caring. For an analogy...I'm not a huge Bush fan. I'm a Republican, but he pisses me off a lot. However, I'll often battle those who hate him, and refuse to get fired up about their concerns, just because I think they're ridiculous in their attacks. Its similar here. If this wasn't blown up into a sensationalized event with unsavory people suddenly being portrayed as taking the moral high ground...the legal side of me would probably care that something questionable had occurred. But instead I feel that lending my support at this point (although I'm obviously willing to question the justice doled out here), would only strengthen certain elements that I think are absurd.

I can agree with basically all of that.

I don't think I've commented in this thread very much about the LA justice system except to say that I don't know enough to be able to say such harsh things about unequal treatment, etc.

The media reports I've read have been incredibly slanted to one side of the facts. It's hard in light of the fact that I know the information I'm receiving is slanted to be able to judge whether the prosecutors in this case are doing the right thing. I can easily fit the facts of the case to attempted murder in the 2nd degree. Whether or not that's justified? I dunno.

As to the public defender not calling a single witness, it's a fairly common defense tactic, especially when the prosecution has just called a litany of eye witnesses to simply rely on a vigorous cross examination (if that's even possible) and a plea for mercy in closing. Given the facts, I don't think there is any way to put on a really, really strong defense.. so since I wasn't there, I don't really think it's right to say the defense attorney did a bad job.