JENA 6

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Yeah I do. I'm just showing that kids find these high school traditions to be important. So long as the kid could walk, he probably would have attended. The fact is he left early due to the pain... just like my prom night ended due to a %^@*ing stomach bug.



It really doesn't "directly affect" me at all other than it being the current media cause célèbre. I do find it severely blown out of proportion a little annoying. I do find that the coverage has been painfully one-sided to be yet another example of junk journalism.

You're not directly affected either as best I can tell.

Kevin...it's RACIST attitudes like yours that cause people to dislike and distrust Whites in this country.

IM NOT DIRECTLY AFFECTED?

Please.

Hey I have work 2 times as hard to make sure that what I say or what I do will not cause me to lose a job, lose my income and most of all lose my FREEDOM.


This event going on is Jena is nothing NOTHING but a direct reminder that things HAVE NOT changed.....hell, reading your cavalier comments are proof of that already!

I am a target and a statistic every day I walk out of my door.

I am a target and a statistic each time I go out in public because someone is waiting for another of us to ACT OUT to get us on the news as a homicide statistic, a drug user or in jail.

Everytime I go into a class room I lower one stat and barely push up another...because I am one of few who are educated.

Every year I get closer to 40 I do the same....I don't have a rack of kids being taken care of by child support and I am not incarcerated nor am I causing a woman to be on welfare.

Everyday I punch in at 730 and get home at 4pm the same because am not pushing up the unemployment rate.

I got two little nephews who are 3 and 4 I worry about because of the world they are coming into and thankfully THEY TOO are not statistics because GUESS WHAT....thier FATHERS are married to thier MAMAS and LIVING in the home.

But I am not directly affected...yeah ok...believe that dumb stuff if you want.

I cannot tell you how many times I have been pulled aside because "I fit the description" or been told that I need to "watch where I am going..." or been stopped and had an ID checked because I 'didn't belong here"

It's racist idiots like you who still want us to believe that everything is alright when it isn't. That everyone here in this country gets their fair shake when we know good and dayumed well that we don't. If this was the case, we wouldn't STLL be protesting....we wouldn't have to warn our YOUNG BLACK MEN to stay outta trouble because if the cops get ya we may not see ya again! We wouldn't have to tell our Black women to stay smart and get smarter because they are burying us daily and have been doing so since birth because we are marked for prison bars by 4th grade!

That's right Kevin I am calling you out....and to make this clear so that way YOU know exactly where I am coming from...I am NOT CALLING EVERY WHITE PERSON IN AMERICA A RACIST...I am talking to YOU and people LIKE YOU.

See...YOU and people LIKE YOU are the people that messes it up for everyone else.....people like you are the reason WHY others lump IN everyone else.


I am tired.....

I am tired of having to read your crap and having to debate issues that are relevant to me to have someone LIKE YOU tell me thatit's petty BS and let it go simply because it DOES NOT affect you and therefore 'irrelevant'

I cannot and will not and the sooner you realize this and the sooner you realize that folks are UNEQUAL and we aren't protesting over some NONSENSE but protesting that 19th century attitudes still exist in this 21st century US of A then the sooner you will realize my opinions ARE RELEVANT and this sh*t that is happening to me and mine at an ALARMING rate is REAL!

Kevin your prob is....you got the luxury of a keyboard and monitor plus a thousand miles of space to project your idiocy to the world.....I always wonder what folks like you who do this would say and do if we were to ever meet in person.


Interesting thing happened on my way to the Capitol (pics coming later)

This British lady pulled me aside and was genuinely interested in what everything was all about...I told her and also told her where she can get info on the 'net about it....her reactin "What is worng with people in the United States?"

and..."I hope you don't think we all are like that" and no....I don't and after we talked for a few minutes, I was GLAD of her support.


....stomach bug be damned...should gave that girl some pepto!

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I am a target and a statistic every day I walk out of my door.

And so is not-DaemonSeid!

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Kevin...it's RACIST attitudes like yours that cause people to dislike and distrust Whites in this country.

Racist?

That's completely uncalled for. Not even deserving of any more response than the following:

This event going on is Jena is nothing NOTHING but a direct reminder that things HAVE NOT changed.....hell, reading your cavalier comments are proof of that already!

Yeah.. you can't even get away with blindsiding a kid and kicking him in the head while he's unconscious anymore.. gee what a shame.

It's racist idiots like you who still want us to believe that everything is alright when it isn't. That everyone here in this country gets their fair shake when we know good and dayumed well that we don't. If this was the case, we wouldn't STLL be protesting....we wouldn't have to warn our YOUNG BLACK MEN to stay outta trouble because if the cops get ya we may not see ya again! We wouldn't have to tell our Black women to stay smart and get smarter because they are burying us daily and have been doing so since birth because we are marked for prison bars by 4th grade!

How were these attackers unfairly accused? There are multiple witnesses who say one of them punched the victim in the back of the head. They say that they saw these guys kicking the unconscious victim in the head, body and face multiple times. Were they singled out and incorrectly accused due to the color of their skin?

Yeah.. they are such victims.

It seems you're projecting your racial-victim status onto them. These guys are thugs. Five of the six have prior convictions. The juvenile without the prior is being adjudicated as a minor.

It seems you're buying into the Sharpton/Jackson hype and blowing this up into being something it's not. There are 5 men who will, if guilty, go to prison.

-- where did you come down on the whole Duke thing, btw?

[Senusret I]

You got called a racist, so what? You called people thugs and punks. Get over it.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

You got called a racist, so what? You called people thugs and punks. Get over it.

True, we need to stop letting such communities use the label "racist" as a weapon. White people unfortunately give them this power by cowering in the corner anytime something like this happens.

"But one of my best friends is black!"

[AlethiaSi]

First off, I have to say that I am just heartbroken and shocked at the events going on in Jena. DaemonSeid, you're thread helped me to understand what was going on down there, before any other news organization covered it. I heard the story on NPR but I'm ashamed to say that I didn't think much of it at the time.

I live in a predominately black area outside on New York City. I went to a very diverse elementary and middle school, and moved to attend a predominately white high school. My college was predominately white as well. It always freaked me out.

My family is from the Midwest but I was raised in NY. My family shares the same opinions that some of you on here do. I get just as, if not more, angry with them, in regards to a topic such as this or politics, money, religion, anything. Not that my opinion is necessarily right or that it matters, it's just different. I think there is a grave social injustice in this country (on MANY different levels not just this situation.) I see it everyday, at home, my neighborhood, I see it in the Bronx where I work. I'm in a more "enlightened" state. I feel like I need a damn passport to go south or west.

This whole case disturbs me. On Monday, I went to all of my friends and asked them what they knew. They knew nothing about it, so we talked about it, looked it up. They are wearing black today.
I wish I could go to Jena to show my support, I wish things like this didn't happen.

I just wish people would do what was right. Do I think what the boys did was necessarily right? No. However, I think that the situation was spurred by an already inflamed situation. Who's fault is it?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I am biased?
Prove it.

OK - this is pretty easy:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

IM NOT DIRECTLY AFFECTED?

Please.

Hey I have work 2 times as hard to make sure that what I say or what I do will not cause me to lose a job, lose my income and most of all lose my FREEDOM.


This event going on is Jena is nothing NOTHING but a direct reminder that things HAVE NOT changed.....hell, reading your cavalier comments are proof of that already!

I am a target and a statistic every day I walk out of my door.

I am a target and a statistic each time I go out in public because someone is waiting for another of us to ACT OUT to get us on the news as a homicide statistic, a drug user or in jail.

Everytime I go into a class room I lower one stat and barely push up another...because I am one of few who are educated.

Every year I get closer to 40 I do the same....I don't have a rack of kids being taken care of by child support and I am not incarcerated nor am I causing a woman to be on welfare.

Everyday I punch in at 730 and get home at 4pm the same because am not pushing up the unemployment rate.

I got two little nephews who are 3 and 4 I worry about because of the world they are coming into and thankfully THEY TOO are not statistics because GUESS WHAT....thier FATHERS are married to thier MAMAS and LIVING in the home.

But I am not directly affected...yeah ok...believe that dumb stuff if you want.

I cannot tell you how many times I have been pulled aside because "I fit the description" or been told that I need to "watch where I am going..." or been stopped and had an ID checked because I 'didn't belong here"

I mean, it's clear you're biased - in fact, all of us are.

Don't fight the label - just recognize it and work to make sure you try to see the other side. Just like you ask all the white people later in your post.

The issue is unequal application of justice, right? This has gone way beyond that, though, in my opinion - it has partially turned into a spectacle for a few interested parties to take to the soapbox. Whether they use this power for change or for their own self-service is to be seen, and none of us have any authority to say - only time can tell, unfortunately. However, I see no reason to discount the assertion that this may be getting attention for the wrong reasons, in some ways.

Also, shinerbock's point about "taking sides" and inconsistencies in viewpoint with the Durham DA malfeasance is striking - I really sympathize with the Jena kids, because they have strong opponents trying to screw them, but that point made me consider, for the first time, that for some people, it's no longer about what's right, but about what they want (or what makes them famous).

I hope both sets of kids serve the exact same punishment, in scope and degree, and people take an honest look at systems that are corrupt and bankrupt on race issues - not just the Jena schools and the LA legal system, but the way in which we all handle race, from myself to CNN.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

OK - this is pretty easy:



I mean, it's clear you're biased - in fact, all of us are.

Don't fight the label - just recognize it and work to make sure you try to see the other side. Just like you ask all the white people later in your post.

The issue is unequal application of justice, right? This has gone way beyond that, though, in my opinion - it has partially turned into a spectacle for a few interested parties to take to the soapbox. Whether they use this power for change or for their own self-service is to be seen, and none of us have any authority to say - only time can tell, unfortunately. However, I see no reason to discount the assertion that this may be getting attention for the wrong reasons, in some ways.

Also, shinerbock's point about "taking sides" and inconsistencies in viewpoint with the Durham DA malfeasance is striking - I really sympathize with the Jena kids, because they have strong opponents trying to screw them, but that point made me consider, for the first time, that for some people, it's no longer about what's right, but about what they want (or what makes them famous).

I hope both sets of kids serve the exact same punishment, in scope and degree, and people take an honest look at systems that are corrupt and bankrupt on race issues - not just the Jena schools and the LA legal system, but the way in which we all handle race, from myself to CNN.

k sig...thank you...LOL


I knew that I was...just wanted to see if someone could do it.... *wink*

and not to mention your comments are on point

[Rudey]

I propose a battle royale.

-Rudey
--But please, I beg you, keep the guns at home.

[DSTRen13]

A really interesting article about the issue (not sure if this has been posted before?): http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7170510

I really haven't done extensive enough research to know whether I support all the claims of the article or not, but I do have to agree with the main point. I can't believe that the people in that town ever let things get this far. What is wrong with people??

[Animate]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

A really interesting article about the issue (not sure if this has been posted before?): http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7170510

I really haven't done extensive enough research to know whether I support all the claims of the article or not, but I do have to agree with the main point. I can't believe that the people in that town ever let things get this far. What is wrong with people??

I read that article a few weeks ago when it was first posted. It really made me look a few of the things concerning the case differently.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Animate

I read that article a few weeks ago when it was first posted. It really made me look a few of the things concerning the case differently.

I can answer one question...where were the parents?

I listened to the Michael Baisden show a few weeks ago...the father was on there being interviewed...he states that when this went to court...that he nor the boys mom were allowed into the courtroom...they didn't have access to the and it was the grandmother(I believe, if I remember correctly....) that told THEM about the jail sentence

[DaemonSeid]

I got a few pics to show...once I get them in photobucket they will come out better

[Sugar08]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

A really interesting article about the issue (not sure if this has been posted before?): http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7170510

I really haven't done extensive enough research to know whether I support all the claims of the article or not, but I do have to agree with the main point. I can't believe that the people in that town ever let things get this far. What is wrong with people??

I saw this article too... and even at the end, it addresses the root of this issue: the punishment did not fit the crime. And the only visible answer for why this is so is that the people doing the prosecuting are racist.

I really think this is the bottom line.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

A really interesting article about the issue (not sure if this has been posted before?): http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7170510

I really haven't done extensive enough research to know whether I support all the claims of the article or not, but I do have to agree with the main point. I can't believe that the people in that town ever let things get this far. What is wrong with people??

While Whitlock has a pretty bizarre history as a sports writer, this article certainly is more thorough than most . . . the veiled football aspect aside (he really doesn't support it at all in this situation, although it happens all over the place), it shows this is a much more complex situation than most here are saying, by quite a ways.