The link between Greek membership and social conservatism

[violetpretty]

There are two types of conservatives that we are talking about: people who follow their own moral code, and people who vote for Republicans.

I identify as politically liberal. I generally agree with Democrats. However, I didn't drink at all until I turned 21 and am not a huge partier. I also refuse to have sex with someone with whom I am in love and with whom I am in a committed relationship. Mind you, this code that I established for myself has nothing to do with religion. Some people think that's conservative.

I can think of plenty of "conservatives" that have loose morals. I can also think of plenty of "conservatives" that have strict morals. Likewise, I can think of liberals with a strict moral code, and liberals with a loose moral code. When I said GLOs tend to attract "conservatives", I was talking about people who vote for Republicans, moral code optional.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

There are areas of the midwest that is considered Conservative, but the residents are very poor and uneducated, just as other areas are wealthy and educated.

The way you worded this implies that the only areas that are (C)conservative in the Midwest are the poor/uneducated ones.

The Midwest is in many ways as conservative as the South, however the large urban areas like Chicago and St. Louis are much more liberal. Illinois is only a "blue state" because of Chicago, and Missouri can go back and forth depending on the issues. However, Central and Southern Illinois are not uneducated and poor. If anything the education is, on a whole, better than that of poor inner city schools.

Not to say that there aren't bad schools and uneducated people around here, but rural doesn't equal poor and uneducated, it just means you combine school districts and drive a bit further. Ohio hardly counts as the midwest in the first place, so don't speak like you know it if you're going to get it wrong.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Ohio hardly counts as the midwest in the first place

Cincinnati yes, Cleveland, not so much.

[Low C Sharp]

Think of every sorority stereotype. Rich, exclusive, obsessed with looks, only in college to find a husband, parties, objectifying ourselves, etc. We are part of "the establishment" to the general population. I think conservatives tend to be more attracted to (or at least more okay with) this image than liberals.

I think that's exactly right.
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[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The way you worded this implies that the only areas that are (C)conservative in the Midwest are the poor/uneducated ones.

The Midwest is in many ways as conservative as the South, however the large urban areas like Chicago and St. Louis are much more liberal. Illinois is only a "blue state" because of Chicago, and Missouri can go back and forth depending on the issues. However, Central and Southern Illinois are not uneducated and poor. If anything the education is, on a whole, better than that of poor inner city schools.

Not to say that there aren't bad schools and uneducated people around here, but rural doesn't equal poor and uneducated, it just means you combine school districts and drive a bit further. Ohio hardly counts as the midwest in the first place, so don't speak like you know it if you're going to get it wrong.

Interesting, because after being born and raised in the Lou, I wouldn't call it midwest (we considered ourselves borderline south,) a large urban city, nor liberal (racism is and has always benn rampant.) It always seems to be two steps behing the rest of the country.

As for Southern Illinois, when I attended SIUC in the 60s-70s, Carbondale had some of the poorest areas I had ever seen--including all the homes in the "regular" neighborhoods still having out-houses. Having been there recently, the non-poor consists of the faculty and admin of SIUC, but the town itself is still behind the times. The same with Central IL, because of the U of I. In other words those areas only have a modicum of progressiveness because of the universities that exist there. The locals/natives are a totally different story.

Oh and folx I know in OH--mainly Cleveland do consider themselves to be midwest--as does Delta, which has them in our Midwest region. BTW, MO is not in our midwest region--IL yes, but not MO. The MS River is the divider.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Interesting, because after being born and raised in the Lou, I wouldn't call it midwest (we considered ourselves borderline south,) a large urban city, nor liberal (racism is and has always benn rampant.) It always seems to be two steps behing the rest of the country.

As for Southern Illinois, when I attended SIUC in the 60s-70s, Carbondale had some of the poorest areas I had ever seen--including all the homes in the "regular" neighborhoods still having out-houses. Having been there recently, the non-poor consists of the faculty and admin of SIUC, but the town itself is still behind the times. The same with Central IL, because of the U of I. In other words those areas only have a modicum of progressiveness because of the universities that exist there. The locals/natives are a totally different story.

Oh and folx I know in OH--mainly Cleveland do consider themselves to be midwest--as does Delta, which has them in our Midwest region. BTW, MO is not in our midwest region--IL yes, but not MO. The MS River is the divider.

Only went to school in STL but yeah, it is a weird mix of southern with Midwestern, however it votes blue which is apparently what we're talking about. Southern Illinois has some really poor areas, however Central IL is not at all the same. Champaign-Urbana is a college city, but the rest of Central IL are primarily industrial. I've never seen an outhouse in Decatur or Springfield and the small towns around there generally have good school districts even though they're not pulling in the same tax revenues as the cities.

Yes there's poverty everywhere, but being conservative in the Midwest doesn't mean you're poor or uneducated which seemed to be what the previous poster was saying. Most of Illinois is conservative and most of it is not poor nor poorly educated.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yes there's poverty everywhere, but being conservative in the Midwest doesn't mean you're poor or uneducated which seemed to be what the previous poster was saying.

I totally agree.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

There are two types of conservatives that we are talking about: people who follow their own moral code, and people who vote for Republicans.

word. only recently did i realize that.

Originally Posted by violetpretty

I identify as politically liberal. I generally agree with Democrats. However, I didn't drink at all until I turned 21 and am not a huge partier. I also refuse to have sex with someone with whom I am in love and with whom I am in a committed relationship. Mind you, this code that I established for myself has nothing to do with religion. Some people think that's conservative.

:gasp: no! not love... and committment! :runs for the hills:

Originally Posted by AlexMack

You are aware that at one point in this country, the republicans and democrats were the polar opposites of what they are today.

i love the period at the end of that. no question mark, but like, "umm, yeah im jus saying."

anyway carry on.