2007 UGA Recruitment

[bejazd]

Originally Posted by cluelessUGAmom

where do you find "the green book"?

The "green book" is the NPC Recruitment "how to" book for sorority chapter recruitment chairs, recruitment advisors and Panhellenic officers, advisors etc. It's not something available to the general public. The info in there includes guidelines on how to run a Panhellenic recruitment ...balancing fairness to the PNMs and fairness to the chapters. Keep in mind that different people can read the same guidelines and have different interpretations of what the guidelines mean and how to implement them.

The Panhellenic advisor at your campus should be able to answer any and all questions you have about bid matching and options available to women still interested in pledging at your specific school.

[UGAalum94]

CluelessUGAmom,

I understand that from your perspective, you want your daughter matched to her top group. But much of the process is designed to level the playing field for the groups and to some degree for the PNMs.

The ideal recruitment would leave each group at campus with the same sized pledge class, and if possible every girls with her first choice. But it's completely against every girl at her first choice if it will create wild differences in size among the groups.

The point of quota additions is to offer girls who maximize their chances another shot at being placed. Maximizing her options isn't just being willing to list them all and take a bid from one or two: it means she was open to all the groups. If a PNM isn't really willing to be at a particular chapter, she shouldn't list them on her bid list. To list with no intention or desire to join isn't really maximizing options. It kind of violates the idea.

But where a PNM gets placed is also again, about equalizing size among the groups.

Basically, it kind of seems to me that you want her to have her cake and eat it too. Get the benefits of Quota Additions, but also not really have to worry about being placed at any but her favorite group. That's not how it works.

ETA: You are correct in your claim that the structure of recruitment benefits the groups. The NPC has worked hard to develop a system and procedures allowing the maximum number of groups to succeed at any given campus. Sometimes I wonder if it's too much and that we'd be better being more like the IFC groups. But honestly, when you look at the number of girls, at the recruitments who disclose the information, who do get their first preference choice as their group, it really does work well. Girls matched to choice two or three are really in the minority.

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

But honestly, when you look at the number of girls, at the recruitments who disclose the information, who do get their first preference choice as their group, it really does work well. Girls matched to choice two or three are really in the minority.

I think this is a point worth emphasizing. I haven't read all of the stories from AU and UGA, so I don't know if there is a rash of GC PNMs who are getting their second or third choices. If so, they are definitely in the minority. By far.

[bejazd]

But doesn't a large number of QA's also indicate that somewhere in the the statistical end of recruitment, there are several chapters (maybe most of them) that simply kept inviting too many women to their parties (even if it was only by say 4-5?) and when they ended up having a better recruitment than they expected, these women sort of piled up and became the "mismatched." ????

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by bejazd

But doesn't a large number of QA's also indicate that somewhere in the the statistical end of recruitment, there are several chapters (maybe most of them) that simply kept inviting too many women to their parties (even if it was only by say 4-5?) and when they ended up having a better recruitment than they expected, these women sort of piled up and became the "mismatched." ????

It might, but I don't think we're talking about very many PNMs compared with the total pool.

I wouldn't think you could get it too much lower than 4 or 5 girls "extra" when you are talking about over a hundred girls at each house even for prefs without creating an equally large group of pnms who were released from the process entirely. A cut here from one group leads to a cut there for different group because that pnm because available to a different group. At the bottom of that chain is a release.

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by bejazd

But doesn't a large number of QA's also indicate that somewhere in the the statistical end of recruitment, there are several chapters (maybe most of them) that simply kept inviting too many women to their parties (even if it was only by say 4-5?) and when they ended up having a better recruitment than they expected, these women sort of piled up and became the "mismatched." ????

This is where the concept of Quota Range comes into play. Under the old matching methods, quota was set usually by the number of women attending the round before preference OR the number of women receiving preference invitations. And it rarely changed. Now that we use Quota Range, we can run quota at several different numbers and see which one achieves the greatest parity. Oftentimes that makes quota on the lower end of the range. That leaves more women unmatched. So they wind up as QAs. But the tradeoff is that more chapters make quota with women who get their first choice.

And you make a point about chapters doing better than expected. That always happens - and that's good! We want chapters to improve their operations. If the campus uses priority ranking rather than accept/regret, those situations can usually be addressed with flex lists.

The bottom line is that while there may still be quota additions, weaker chapters are pledging quota or very close.

[bejazd]

Originally Posted by jwright25

This is where the concept of Quota Range comes into play. Under the old matching methods, quota was set usually by the number of women attending the round before preference OR the number of women receiving preference invitations. And it rarely changed. Now that we use Quota Range, we can run quota at several different numbers and see which one achieves the greatest parity. Oftentimes that makes quota on the lower end of the range. That leaves more women unmatched. So they wind up as QAs. But the tradeoff is that more chapters make quota with women who get their first choice.

And you make a point about chapters doing better than expected. That always happens - and that's good! We want chapters to improve their operations. If the campus uses priority ranking rather than accept/regret, those situations can usually be addressed with flex lists.

The bottom line is that while there may still be quota additions, weaker chapters are pledging quota or very close.

Gotcha. So mathematically, probably about the same total overall # of PNMs will get bids, they'll just be spread around more evenly, with the possibility of one or two chapters pledging a very large number of QAs pretty much eliminated .

As far as the chapters go, under the new system, what incentive do they have to play fair with each other as far as sticking to their max recommended invite #?

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by bejazd

Gotcha. So mathematically, probably about the same total overall # of PNMs will get bids, they'll just be spread around more evenly, with the possibility of one or two chapters pledging a very large number of QAs pretty much eliminated.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by bejazd

As far as the chapters go, under the new system, what incentive do they have to play fair with each other as far as sticking to their max recommended invite #?

Well, the Panhellenic spirit first and foremost. If everyone espouses the "you're only as strong as your weakest link" mentality, everyone will want all chapters to succeed. There really hasn't been an issue with one chapter trying to hurt another through release figures. Additionally, if they are using ICS, the maximum number of invites is programmed into the system, and it will not allow them to exceed it. They can underinvite, but they can't overinvite. Underinviting only hurts them - and the PNMs to some extent. But it can't hurt another chapter.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by bejazd

Gotcha. So mathematically, probably about the same total overall # of PNMs will get bids, they'll just be spread around more evenly, with the possibility of one or two chapters pledging a very large number of QAs pretty much eliminated .

As far as the chapters go, under the new system, what incentive do they have to play fair with each other as far as sticking to their max recommended invite #?

I was wondering this too. If it's only eligibility to receive girls as quota additions, it seems strange that it's motivating enough, especially since the really big chapters already only seem to get one or two. But I guess if you end up with great results, it's not a hardship.

(I'm really thinking of the middle chapters who have been so traditionally solid who have much more at stake if they cut the wrong girls; they might find themselves having to snap because they had to release so many in previous rounds. I think I might rather keep more and forgo the possibility of QAs.)

ETA: But if it's programmed in, I guess you can't.

[melongirl]

Originally Posted by jwright25

I think this is a point worth emphasizing. I haven't read all of the stories from AU and UGA, so I don't know if there is a rash of GC PNMs who are getting their second or third choices. If so, they are definitely in the minority. By far.

Here's the UGA stats

Number Of Recruits Receiving :
Preference No.
No Pref 10
1 choice 822
2 choice 93
3 choice 15





And before you ask-- i don't know what "no pref" means. Maybe they dropped out going into pref round??

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by melongirl

Here's the UGA stats

Number Of Recruits Receiving :
Preference No.
No Pref 10
1 choice 822
2 choice 93
3 choice 15





And before you ask-- i don't know what "no pref" means. Maybe they dropped out going into pref round??

I think the no pref might be the number of girls who maximized but didn't get placed as QAs.

ETA: Or I guess it could reflect snaps to girls who didn't attend prefs, since it's the list of girls matching. They matched to no one they preffed.

[cluelessUGAmom]

Originally Posted by melongirl

Here's the UGA stats

Number Of Recruits Receiving :
Preference No.
No Pref 10
1 choice 822
2 choice 93
3 choice 15





And before you ask-- i don't know what "no pref" means. Maybe they dropped out going into pref round??

Just wondering....how accurate are these results?

[melongirl]

Originally Posted by cluelessUGAmom

Just wondering....how accurate are these results?

they came straight from a report from UGA greek life, from their ICS system

I've also sent you a PM

[estherjb]

I actually talked to the recruitment advisor at our national office and she was very aware of many of the things we've discussed on this thread. She helped me understand some things about rush that were new to me. Evidently on some campuses where the "good" sororities were getting bigger and the weaker sororities were getting smaller there has been an Early Release policy instituted. As I understand it, houses who do not think there is a likelihood that a rushee will receive a bid are encouraged to release them after first round so that they will go back to other houses where they are more likely to get a bid. The idea benefits the rushee (theoretically) because she doesn't keep strong houses who aren't going to invite her back later at the expense of less popular or less known sororities who would keep her all the way through. Prefs are also weighted to allow smaller chapters to have more girls at their parties than houses who have filled quota repeatedly. This wouldn't lessen the sting of a legacy being cut after first round but the first round cut isn't the slap in the face it would have been before early release was introduced.
But a quota of 56 at a school like Georgia? Bama had quota in the 70's. Maybe the early release policy is causing more girls to drop out and by the time quota is figured the numbers are smaller.

[Speechpath]

This is true at many schools now using release figures, chapters are forced to cut more and sooner. Thus quality women may get released after first round more so than in years past. Sometimes as well, girls are nervous in first rounds (actives and pnm's) and legacies may be more nervous in their legacy house which may result in less than favorable conversation or perceived shyness.