Vick indicted in dog fighting case

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by ZTABullwinkle

I can say that PETA has been surprisingly quiet in this area (Hampton Roads) of Virginia. I thought for sure that they would be all over this news.

Too late!!!

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Re: Bullfights. I saw a bullfight in Mexico City on a high school trip with my Spanish class. In 3 of the 4 matches we saw, the bull won. (The matadors weren't actually killed but 3 of them were thrown pretty far and one of them was somewhat trampled.) I don't get that sport either and opposition to it is growing, according to a recent Time magazine article.

Re: Vick. Ugh, this guy was my son's hero.. the reason he wants to be an NFL player and, specifically, a Falcons fan. I'll have to share this info with him if he hasn't heard it already. Hopefully his second dream (meterologist on the weather channel) doesn't get blasted by some idiotic behavior on Jim Cantore's part.

Just so you don't think the bullfights are any bit a match of equals, the bulls are drugged, sometimes weighted down, and have their horns shaved so they lose balance and mutilated to lose as much blood as possible early on so that the matador can kill it much more quickly when it moves it around in circles and gets it dizzy.

-Rudey

[sbx_six_eye]

Originally Posted by NinjaPoodle

I agree

Me too...

[angelic1]

I first off want to say that I am against all forms of dog fighting...

I think some people may need to realize though that this is a lot more prevalent than what you think... that does not mean it should be accepted though.

Dog fighting for many in urban, high crime rate areas and even rural areas is something that they have grown up around. Something that at an early age they saw and began to accept. I think Chicago has some of the highest numbers in the reports.

So when I hear comments from other players on tv about dog fighting being seen as almost normal while it might seem odd to some. Others take it as almost this sub culture and it appears that many players in the NFL participate in it.

In more rural area these fights usually take place at night in areas hidden and not really spoken about. The same goes for cock fighting around here (which I find more common where I am from). In more urban areas they are usually on back streets. So it usually pretty hard for law enforcement to get warrents and find enough evidence to convict someone on dog fighting (most times they are just charged with animal cruelty).

I think that due to his big name that they are going to make an example of him to show that this should not be tolerated...

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by angelic1

I think that due to his big name that they are going to make an example of him to show that this should not be tolerated...

Good for them. I completely support that idea.

[ForeverRoses]

I hope they make an example of him.

NPR had several stories about dog fighting this morning and they interviewed an animal control officer from somewhere in Texas. They said that the dogfighting rings are harder to infiltrate than the drug rings.

[UGAalum94]

I had always assumed that efforts to ban Pit Bulls were about their unpredictable aggression, and how they and Rottweilers seemed to kill at least one kid a year, maybe more. And as an owner of some big dogs, I'm nervous about the idea of banning breeds because of their potential for violences, rather than addressing the dogs who showed the trait.

I'm not usually looking for more government regulation, but I don't think that animal abuse in the form of dog fighting or the methods that they (allegedly?)used to kill the dogs who lost should be tolerated in our society. If banning or very strictly regulating the breed would make it enforcement easier, maybe people who really love pit bulls should consider that they are better off not in the hands of dog fighters, even if it means that few others can own them either?

(Basically, I'm assuming that with a bane, someone seeing a Pit Bull will give probable cause for an investigation.)

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I don't mean to get off topic......but Tom Earp just said that he fought bulls in Baja Mexico. No offense at all.........but that is one of the most hilarious mental images I have been fortunate to have in quite some time. Earple......please tell me you were hammered runk.

Not hammered drunk. But after Lobster tails and steak with a little wine (Do not drink the water), and watching others do it, I took a dare.

Hell, could have gotten killed!

But, I can say I did it, not very well but was there!

Now, it would be hard for Bulls to be bred to get in a pit and fight each other.

[squirrely girl]

not to get completely off topic, but ted bundy actually had a suprisingly normal childhood free of physical and sexual abuse.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Not hammered drunk. But after Lobster tails and steak with a little wine (Do not drink the water), and watching others do it, I took a dare.

Hell, could have gotten killed!

But, I can say I did it, not very well but was there!

Now, it would be hard for Bulls to be bred to get in a pit and fight each other.

Hell yes.

"Well I did this and this and this........"

"Oh yeah?? Well I FOUGHT A BULL in Mexico. Good day sir."

[deeznutz]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

He's an idiot. Why would you even do something so dumb when you make MILLIONS of dollars?

EXACTLY!!!!

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by squirrely girl

not to get completely off topic, but ted bundy actually had a suprisingly normal childhood free of physical and sexual abuse.

I read that his biological father was also his biological grandfather, and that he thought his mother was his sister until they moved to Washington State. There's some evidence that his grandfather molested him prior to that move - so this was all before he was three or four. I wish I could tell you the source, but it certainly wasn't the Enquirer or any rag like that.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by honeychile

I read that his biological father was also his biological grandfather, and that he thought his mother was his sister until they moved to Washington State. There's some evidence that his grandfather molested him prior to that move - so this was all before he was three or four. I wish I could tell you the source, but it certainly wasn't the Enquirer or any rag like that.

Wiki has the parentage issue, along with this:

In December 1987, Bundy was examined for seven hours by a professor from New York University Medical Center, Dorothy Otnow Lewis. To Lewis, Bundy described his childhood, and especially his relationship with his maternal grandparents, Samuel and Eleanor Cowell. Along with the already established description of his grandfather as a tyrannical bully, Bundy described his grandfather as a bigot who hated blacks, Italians, Catholics, and Jews. He further stated that his grandfather tortured animals, beating the family dog and swinging neighborhood cats by their tails. He also told Lewis that his grandfather, who was a deacon in his church, kept a large collection of pornography in his greenhouse where, according to relatives, Bundy and a cousin would sneak into the greenhouse for hours reading it. Family members expressed skepticism over Louise's "Jack Worthington" story of Bundy's parentage and noted that Samuel Cowell once flew into a violent rage when the subject of the boy's father came up.[88] Bundy described his grandmother as a timid and obedient wife, who was sporadically taken to hospitals to undergo shock treatment for depression.[89] Towards the end of her life, Bundy said, she became an agoraphobe.[90]

It's all cited, it's just not easy to provide the cites to here as they're print media. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy#Pathology

[NutBrnHair]

I was listening to a local sports talk radio show & got so upset, I tried to call!

The host said that the crime Vick has allegely committed is "not that bad." He said, "it's not one of the Ten Commandments...it's not as bad as murder" and that he should "not have to go to jail if convicted."

Hello! It's a felony in 50 states.

[UGAalum94]

I found this part from Bundy's entry even more interesting:

Eleanor Bundy's younger sister Julia recalled a disturbing incident with her young nephew. After lying down in the Cowells' home for a nap, Julia woke to find herself surrounded by knives from the Cowell kitchen. Three-year-old Ted was standing by the bed, smiling at her.[91]


I think that Bundy tried to manipulate some people by telling them what they wanted to hear, and that he thought there was a market for his blaming his pathology on the influence of pornography and abuse.

I'm not saying that he wasn't abused; he probably was, but there are many victims of abuse who don't end up serial killers, it seems.

But in the example above, he was three years old. I think he was messed up even then.