OU forced to forfeit all 2005 wins . . .

[sueali]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I am in no way all that knowledgeable about how the NCAA rules committee works.......but what does the conduct of OU's Basketball Program have anything remotely close to do with the OU Football program? I don't see how one can affect the other. I can't think of anything that the OU Football Program has done to get themselves in trouble for quite a ways back, at least not in the Stoops era. I just don't see how Sampson's screw up and the probation imposed on the basketball team would affect OU Football.

The NCAA looks at the institution and it's compliance as a whole. The Basketball violation was also a failure to monitor. So as a whole the NCAA is penalizing the Oklahoma Athletic Department (really their compliance department) for failure to monitor for rules compliance. Does that make sense?

As I said in a previous post I am an administrator for a DI program, who is in charge of NCAA Compliance on my campus. This has caused a stir amongst institution compliance programs, because OU was monitoring their employment the same way if not more than most institutions (None of the institutions that I have worked with have ever collected gross employment earnings, which OU was doing, now they failed to collect them during this time, but this was still their policy). A lot of compliance efforts rely on the student and the employer being honest, which in this case they were not. It was a complete disregard for the rules by the employer and the student-athlete (who were both informed on the NCAA policies), which is in no way the fault of OU.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by sueali

The NCAA looks at the institution and it's compliance as a whole. The Basketball violation was also a failure to monitor. So as a whole the NCAA is penalizing the Oklahoma Athletic Department (really their compliance department) for failure to monitor for rules compliance. Does that make sense?

As I said in a previous post I am an administrator for a DI program, who is in charge of NCAA Compliance on my campus. This has caused a stir amongst institution compliance programs, because OU was monitoring their employment the same way if not more than most institutions (None of the institutions that I have worked with have ever collected gross employment earnings, which OU was doing, now they failed to collect them during this time, but this was still their policy). A lot of compliance efforts rely on the student and the employer being honest, which in this case they were not. It was a complete disregard for the rules by the employer and the student-athlete (who were both informed on the NCAA policies), which is in no way the fault of OU.

Yeah that makes perfect sense. Absolutely. It's just a shame that when it boils down to it......honesty on the part of your own players is the main issue here. It sounds like OU was doing more than necessary to make sure that rules were followed. You would think that after being given the opportunity to play at a place like OU......you would try to show at least a little bit of integrity. I know I sound incredibly naive (I know this kind of stuff happens everywhere), but man, it is just ridiculous.

[sueali]

I agree with you one hundred percent. It is really disheartening when a student-athlete has not respect for the institution that has given them a chance to play at that level, and they could care less if something like this happens to the school. I am not going to get into the argument about paying players, but I do want to say that these kids are well taken care of, especially football and basketball players, especially at a large institution like OU(I'm not insinuating rules violations, just stating that some smaller schools can not afford to give their players as much as larger schools can within NCAA rules).

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by sueali

I agree with you one hundred percent. It is really disheartening when a student-athlete has not respect for the institution that has given them a chance to play at that level, and they could care less if something like this happens to the school. I am not going to get into the argument about paying players, but I do want to say that these kids are well taken care of, especially football and basketball players, especially at a large institution like OU(I'm not insinuating rules violations, just stating that some smaller schools can not afford to give their players as much as larger schools can within NCAA rules).

No, trust me, I know of the arguments about paying players. I played baseball for a year and a half in college, at Texas, before getting injured. I think that a lot of people just have absolutely no idea how well athletes in major sports at universities are taken care of......if not simply spoiled. The locker rooms, the player's lounges, the special cooks, the free tutoring, work programs to earn money, meal stipends for road trips, etc. etc. I'm pretty sure you can also get up to 200$ a year for clothing, I'f I'm not mistaken? I was/am fortunate enough to not have to worry about financial difficulties..........but even if I was, I just don't see how I would be worrying about anything so long as I was keeping myself out of trouble and in good standing on the team.

[sueali]

Originally Posted by macallan25

No, trust me, I know of the arguments about paying players. I played baseball for a year and a half in college, at Texas, before getting injured. I think that a lot of people just have absolutely no idea how well athletes in major sports at universities are taken care of......if not simply spoiled. The locker rooms, the player's lounges, the special cooks, the free tutoring, work programs to earn money, meal stipends for road trips, etc. etc. I'm pretty sure you can also get up to 200$ a year for clothing, I'f I'm not mistaken? I was/am fortunate enough to not have to worry about financial difficulties..........but even if I was, I just don't see how I would be worrying about anything so long as I was keeping myself out of trouble and in good standing on the team.

You can get up to $500 a year for clothing if you are a pell grant recipient.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I just don't see how I would be worrying about anything so long as I was keeping myself out of trouble and in good standing on the team.

But, I thought that's why they took such good care of the athletes? I definitely didn't go to an SEC school, but my undergrad has the best crew teams in the nation, and our athletic conference (D1) specifically outlawed athletic scholarships back in 1954...but we really didn't notice, because the rowers were SO well taken care of--the coaches and the boosters felt that the money was worth it to keep them out of trouble and keep the crew winning.

A friend of the family was a football player at Auburn back in the mid-90s. Boosters would buy him cars, they got his braces, and always kept him in nice clothes. He still didn't finish college. No excuse!