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Originally Posted by wreckingcrew
I'm not arguing that A&M has a clean slate by any stretch of the imagination. The incident that you cite took place in 1988 and A&M was on 2 years probation after that point. The incident I brought up took place in 1993 and involved Greg Hill and other Aggies and resulted in our bans in 1994. We were off probation by then and it was a separate incidence. Now, if you're claiming the prior incidence influenced our sanctions, I can accept that. How can you then excuse OU whose past is even more checkered than A&M's (and thats saying something) receiving a light punishment? Their INSTITUTION is CURRENTLY still on probation from indiscretions committed by former basketball coach Kelvin Sampson. http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/!ut/p...tions_rls.html
A&M, off probation, harsher sentence. OU STILL ON probation, lighter sentence. And I'd expect someone from Austin to agree with the Sooners, since your school is also considered an "untouchable" institution. CU got slapped with essentially the same penalties, 2 years probation, loss of one scholarship for improper training table meals to walk-on athletes http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/!ut/p...orado_rls.html . A crime that I think most would agree is benign compared to illegal paying of players.
And for all the high and mighty Sooners, this story wasn't brought to light by self investigations or the University, the dust was kicked up after an internet posting. Had that individual NOT posted that information, its likely y'all would still be cheating. |
Yeah, I was merely thinking that previous actions influenced the 1993 rulings for A&M. You are right though, what happened to OU in 2005 looks eerily similar to what A&M did in 1993........booster pay for play type stuff. Surely though you can see how bad A&M's violation looked to the NCAA. They get in trouble in 1988 for pretty serious infractions (I thought the resulting punishment didn't sound to bad given the wrong doing), have a probation period, and then immediately get in trouble again only a few years later.
The only problem I have with your arguments is this: A lot of people, like you, bring up the Kelvin Sampson illegal phone call ordeal. I am in no way all that knowledgeable about how the NCAA rules committee works.......but what does the conduct of OU's Basketball Program have anything remotely close to do with the OU Football program? I don't see how one can affect the other. I can't think of anything that the OU Football Program has done to get themselves in trouble for quite a ways back, at least not in the Stoops era. I just don't see how Sampson's screw up and the probation imposed on the basketball team would affect OU Football.
As far as OU's checkered past? Yeah, they have one.......but look at the dates:
1956
1960
1973
1980
1988 - These violations were pretty severe and had a rough judgement: 3 years probation, tv bans, substantial loss of scholarships, substantial recruiting restrictions, etc.
The current sanctions were laid down what? Close to 20 years later? I just can't see the NCAA taking into account the mess that Switzer caused when deciding the fate of Bob Stoops' team. Especially after what he did when he discovered the problem. Also, it is unfair for you to make the claim that OU was cheating. None of us know that.
As for us being an untouchable institution......I do know that we have 4 violations listed as MAJOR on the NCAA website.......but I don't know what sport they were in. I know our Baseball program got into some trouble a few years back, but that's about it.
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