Too fat to recruit: or, DePauw, the Sequel

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna

I'll be brutal (yes, I'm overweight, but I'm old)...overweight young women need to realize that they could hurt the chapter as much as help it. This is not to say they cannot be important members with much to contribute. But as a wise national officer once said, in recruitment, first impressions are EVERYTHING. If this young lady can be mature about it, she can tell them that she understands, and offer to do something helpful behind the scenes during recruitment, or at least during the preparation week. Doesn't she want her chapter to survive?

You're an idiot. This young lady can be mature about it and stick up for her feelings. Why should she have to just shrug behind the scenes to be mature? This is the most shallow post I've ever read on GC.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

If all of this is true, then being a Greek is shallow.

We had a member who was hanicapped and was one of the best members we had for getting things done. He was not worried about so neither were we. He was part of us so everybody took him as one thing only, a Brother of LXA at our chapter.

When ADPi was on our campus, they were called ADPigs. They were the first to recognize us as a local and several LX's married their members. We did a lot of things together when some of the sooty ones did not want to be around us. Sad to say, they are no longer on campus and would love to see them come back!

KD, came on campus and according to the Pixs had some very lovely girls. They lasted 2 years. Why, I do not know.

Go back to HS and see the beauties who are no longer or the wall flowers who are beauties now!

The person inside the skin form is much bigger a person than many and will give more for the love.

Hi, I am Barbi and I belong to ABC, we are neat, no, they are bimbos in many ways!

Wow. I actually agree with this post.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

You're an idiot. This young lady can be mature about it and stick up for her feelings. Why should she have to just shrug behind the scenes to be mature? This is the most shallow post I've ever read on GC.



Wow. I actually agree with this post.

Thank You and You are appreciated with Your Post!


High, I am Tom and I am your New Pledge Instructor, and You do not fit with us!

So, all I can say is Goodby!

I hate to do this! See Ya!

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by carnation

I have to go with AnchorAlumna and FanASTic on this one. First, we haven't heard the whole story. The woman's overweight but she could be a total jerk and maybe she dropped through the cracks and got a bid in a weird way. Don't laugh, I've even seen it happen to competitive sororities--these girls are called slip-throughs. Now if it is only because she's overweight, that's mean.

Is that because your daughters join only the BEST sororities?

The other thing is, as AnchorAlum says: teenagers (ie, PNMs) are often very shallow. You know how many times people have said on here that they didn't want of be part of the fat-girl sorority. I suupose that's where her group is coming from. I saw a sorority's page in a rush booklet a few years back and it displayed a picture of the last year's pledge class; over half were extremely overweight. I told my husband that that sorority had probably just signed their death warrant and sure enough, they were gone in no time.

No, I'm not saying that what this sorority did was right. I'm just trying to figure out where they're coming from..but I have to wonder if we've heard the whole story.

This statement from you doesn't surprise me, because when it comes to rush you are pretty shallow.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

This statement from you doesn't surprise me, because when it comes to rush you are pretty shallow.

Sorry to break it to you, but RUSH is shallow. If it wasn't, we could wear whatever we wanted, not wash our hair or put on makeup, and have rush parties in abandoned warehouses and still get the same turnout.

That being said, I stand by my previous statements on this issue.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Sorry to break it to you, but RUSH is shallow. If it wasn't, we could wear whatever we wanted, not wash our hair or put on makeup, and have rush parties in abandoned warehouses and still get the same turnout.

That being said, I stand by my previous statements on this issue.

There's a difference between putting your best self forward and telling a sister her best self isn't good enough (although it was good enough to give her a bid and collect her dues).

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Sorry to break it to you, but RUSH is shallow. If it wasn't, we could wear whatever we wanted, not wash our hair or put on makeup, and have rush parties in abandoned warehouses and still get the same turnout.

That being said, I stand by my previous statements on this issue.

You don't want to get involved in that fight.

That said, I know recruitment is shallow. It's based off of really quick impresions and connections with girls. The assumption that a heavy girl will turn off PNMs is offensive. And this girl is your sister. Are you going to take those "shallow" PNMS and pretend like the heavy girl isn't your sister until initiation? After? Any girl who would go "ugh she's heavy I don't want to be a sister with any of the girls in this room because she's heavy" should NOT be given a bid.

[fantASTic]

33girl + Drolefille:

I agree. I believe I stated this earlier in the thread; it IS wrong to discriminate against somebody based on their physical appearance, especially over something like this.

[UGAalum94]

I don't think that members in good standing should be asked to stay away from recruitment for any reasons. I don't think any members should be assigned a recruitment duty that she doesn't want for a disproportionate amount the other time, either.

We all have strengths and weaknesses, and we should all help figure out where we think we can best serve our organizations, but also be open to doing something else as long as the way duties are assigned is in keeping with the overall values of the organization.

At my chapter, I don't remember any actives not rushing unless they were in a goofy costume for a skit, so I don't remember any nonsense like this.

BUT some of you posting may have no idea what a big Southern recruitment is like. The way we want things to be and the way things actually are often not the same, and chapters feel pressured to do something wrong in terms of sisterhood to ensure that they get a particular outcome all along the return rate spectrum.

Carnation didn't want that organization to go under, I bet, and you misread her if you think it was her point. She was just aware that recruitment can be a game of superficial impressions, and if you don't play along, your group may not be around much longer to enjoy your authentic sisterhood.

ETA: I saw my friend who wasn't Greek who has a Greek daughter today. She takes all the directions about who can wear what and what's allowed and required at recruitment to be generally a reflection of the values of sororities. It breaks my heart what she thinks we're all about, but I also know that most groups that didn't spend time on image for recruitment are going to have a hard time attracting enough new members to fill a new member class. I wish there were a way to get away from it but not having decorations and skits isn't going to do it.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Sorry to break it to you, but RUSH is shallow. If it wasn't, we could wear whatever we wanted, not wash our hair or put on makeup, and have rush parties in abandoned warehouses and still get the same turnout.

That being said, I stand by my previous statements on this issue.

Actually, National Panhellenic is moving away from Recruitment "parties," meaning that it will be a lot less shallow, and primarily only based on conversation, as opposed to the glitz of decorations, make up, and skits. In the next few years, they just might be holding recruitment events in "warehouses," so to speak, because they won't be allowed to show off; they will only be able to have conversations with PNMs. Of course, this will be difficult for chapters to transition into, but it could be beneficial in the long run for the Greek System.

[cuteASAbug]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Actually, National Panhellenic is moving away from Recruitment "parties," meaning that it will be a lot less shallow, and primarily only based on conversation, as opposed to the glitz of decorations, make up, and skits. In the next few years, they just might be holding recruitment events in "warehouses," so to speak, because they won't be allowed to show off; they will only be able to have conversations with PNMs. Of course, this will be difficult for chapters to transition into, but it could be beneficial in the long run for the Greek System.

How is a lack of decorations going to stop PNM's from thinking "ABC is the fat sorority, I don't want to go there?"

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by cuteASAbug

How is a lack of decorations going to stop PNM's from thinking "ABC is the fat sorority, I don't want to go there?"

It might not make them think that, but they won't be looking at all of the skits and well-dressed ladies and thinking, this is where I want to be because they are all so super pretty and obviously have TONS of money. And if they think THIS IS A FAT SORORITY, then they are obviously idiots.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Actually, National Panhellenic is moving away from Recruitment "parties," meaning that it will be a lot less shallow, and primarily only based on conversation, as opposed to the glitz of decorations, make up, and skits. In the next few years, they just might be holding recruitment events in "warehouses," so to speak, because they won't be allowed to show off; they will only be able to have conversations with PNMs. Of course, this will be difficult for chapters to transition into, but it could be beneficial in the long run for the Greek System.

I realize. It's called no frills, and that's what we do. It doesn't mean that PNMs don't judge on appearance. No frills does not mean no makeup, either.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

I realize. It's called no frills, and that's what we do. It doesn't mean that PNMs don't judge on appearance. No frills does not mean no makeup, either.

I know it doesn't mean NO make up; if you read what I wrote, I said it would be LESS about those things, not that they won't occur at all...

[33girl]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Actually, National Panhellenic is moving away from Recruitment "parties," meaning that it will be a lot less shallow, and primarily only based on conversation, as opposed to the glitz of decorations, make up, and skits. In the next few years, they just might be holding recruitment events in "warehouses," so to speak, because they won't be allowed to show off; they will only be able to have conversations with PNMs. Of course, this will be difficult for chapters to transition into, but it could be beneficial in the long run for the Greek System.

Umm....NPC has been "moving" towards this since the early 90s. Many campuses have kind of giggled and kept right on doing what they've always been doing - if you don't believe me, read the "rush clothes -what are you wearing?" thread. If they keep "moving" at this rate, they'll get rid of all frills by, oh, 2050 or so.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Umm....NPC has been "moving" towards this since the early 90s. Many campuses have kind of giggled and kept right on doing what they've always been doing - if you don't believe me, read the "rush clothes -what are you wearing?" thread. If they keep "moving" at this rate, they'll get rid of all frills by, oh, 2050 or so.

I don't know about that--but we'll just have to wait and see. They have been moving pretty quickly these days.