"Why Did You Decide to Join ...That?"

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by BlueReign

Hey, I can see this happening. The field of education is changing rapidly and we have got to change along with it. This is not a hard thing to imagine happening, "a grand chapter for non-traditional students"!

You know, AKAMonet, these new people on here really don't want our advice or anything. They came on greekchat to play. Like I told the originator of this thread to get off and go do something to building his fraternity and he kept posting nonsense anyway. The time spent on here could be better spent on her building a superb web site that would answer some questions. Since this sorority should cater to on-line students I would be trying to link up or partner with those on-line universities. Does that make too much sense?

I know you asked this of AKAMonet, but I feel you. That is why so much defensiveness is shown even when we are trying to help.

Bottomline: they do somewhat resent the D9 regardless of what they say. Sometimes people avoid situations that may lead to rejection so they never try. Then they can always say I wasn't rejected, I never even applied.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

That is why so much defensiveness is shown even when we are trying to help.

I don't really think people are trying to help.

I think people are expressing their opinions and asking questions to suit their own "curiosity." Helping would require less of an audience and involve things like PMing the person if people cared so much. Maybe the poster has already received PMs.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I don't really think people are trying to help.

I think people are expressing their opinions and asking questions to suit their own "curiosity." Helping would require less of an audience and involve things like PMing the person if people cared so much. Maybe the poster has already received PMs.

Well I will speak for myself. My first post to RozRochelle was what I thought was a validation of her need to form her sorority. And to let her know that the things she mentioned were been discussed in the NPHC.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Well I will speak for myself. My first post to the young lady was what I thought was a validation of her need to form her sorority. And to let her know that the things she mentioned were been discussed in the NPHC.

The initial posts to her were helpful in that they gave her something to think about even if she didn't respond. After the initial posts, I don't blame her for not being that receptive or responsive. It can appear that she's being approached from all angles and she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

The initial posts to her were helpful in that they gave her something to think about even if she didn't respond. After the initial posts, I don't blame her for not being that receptive or responsive. It can appear that she's being approached from all angles and she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

She did respond to my post and there is where the defensiveness crept in.

[RozRochelle]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

The initial posts to her were helpful in that they gave her something to think about even if she didn't respond. After the initial posts, I don't blame her for not being that receptive or responsive. It can appear that she's being approached from all angles and she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

Well, thank you Jesus! That is EXACTLY how I feel. Maybe they'll receive this from you since you're a GC old-timer and have their respect.

Thank you.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by RozRochelle

Well, thank you Jesus! That is EXACTLY how I feel. Maybe they'll receive this from you since you're a GC old-timer and have their respect.

Thank you.

Yet you blasted her in earlier posts. Get the point now? Not everyone is out to get you.

[RozRochelle]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Yet you blasted her in earlier posts.

C'mon now, fair is fair. She blasted me some good ones, too.

Not everyone is out to get you.

I never said that. But, some of y'all haven't given me a fair chance from the jump. And, yes, I have felt targeted. So, please excuse me for not yet fully believing what you just said. I hope to feel differently in time.

[RozRochelle]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I know you asked this of AKAMonet, but I feel you. That is why so much defensiveness is shown even when we are trying to help.

Bottomline: they do somewhat resent the D9 regardless of what they say. Sometimes people avoid situations that may lead to rejection so they never try. Then they can always say I wasn't rejected, I never even applied.

It's just hard for some people to accept the fact that not everyone thinks the D9 is a FIT for them.

I admire the D9 and respect it, but from what I know and have observed (and I admit I don't know everything and haven't observed everything), I don't think any of the sororities and myself would "fit" together. I am too non-conformist, too much of a free-thinker, too militant, too outspoken, and I'm not all that big on tradition - which I think is a big no-no in the venerable D9 sororities.

I know myself very well, and it is better that I do my own thing or remain independent. My choices have nothing to do with resentment or rejection.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by RozRochelle

I am too non-conformist, too much of a free-thinker, too militant, too outspoken, and I'm not all that big on tradition - independent.

Interesting. You just descibed me and many of my sorors, which is what makes our org dynamic rather than stgnant.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Interesting. You just descibed me and many of my sorors, which is what makes our org dynamic rather than stgnant.

I always felt that Delta was Founded by and for a group of women who fit that description.

[RozRochelle]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Interesting. You just descibed me and many of my sorors, which is what makes our org dynamic rather than stgnant.

Really? That's cool. I guess I'm just used to being the "odd" one. I always have been.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by RozRochelle

It's just hard for some people to accept the fact that not everyone thinks the D9 is a FIT for them.

I admire the D9 and respect it, but from what I know and have observed (and I admit I don't know everything and haven't observed everything), I don't think any of the sororities and myself would "fit" together. I am too non-conformist, too much of a free-thinker, too militant, too outspoken, and I'm not all that big on tradition - which I think is a big no-no in the venerable D9 sororities.

I know myself very well, and it is better that I do my own thing or remain independent. My choices have nothing to do with resentment or rejection.

I have been in the D9 for 14 years and I've met many many members from all the orgs in different places and I can tell you that we come from many different walks of life and are very different people and I truly believe that many of us don't come anywhere close to resembling our NPHC stereotypes and the stereotypes of GLO members in general. My point is that there are many NPHC members who would claim the same things you stated about yourself. I know my friends and family never thought I would be "greek" because I'm so independent and "free" thinking, but I realize now that their assumptions were based on stereotypes. I'm one of those people who wants to be her own boss in everything but one of the most valuable things I've learned as a member of my sorority, is that learning how to follow is just as important as learning how to lead, especially in organizations. Sigma Gamma Rho taught me that following could be powerful if it was necessary and if there was someone better qualified to lead. The very thing that I had always associated with weakness, proved to be one of the most empowering things I now implement in various areas of my life while still being the leader that I am naturally. This is something that I know I would not have learned if I started my own organization. I was so independent (and I have been since I was very young) that I didn't think that there was any way for me to do things without being the leader in everything. It's great that you wanted to start your own organization and if that's what you always had a mind to do, than good luck to you, but talk about how great your organization is or will be, as opposed to how you do not fit into ours because of reasons you think are valid.

[RozRochelle]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I have been in the D9 for 14 years and I've met many many members from all the orgs in different places and I can tell you that we come from many different walks of life and are very different people and I truly believe that many of us don't come anywhere close to resembling our NPHC stereotypes and the stereotypes of GLO members in general. My point is that there are many NPHC members who would claim the same things you stated about yourself. I know my friends and family never thought I would be "greek" because I'm so independent and "free" thinking, but I realize now that their assumptions were based on stereotypes. I'm one of those people who wants to be her own boss in everything but one of the most valuable things I've learned as a member of my sorority, is that learning how to follow is just as important as learning how to lead, especially in organizations. Sigma Gamma Rho taught me that following could be powerful if it was necessary and if there was someone better qualified to lead. The very thing that I had always associated with weakness, proved to be one of the most empowering things I now implement in various areas of my life while still being the leader that I am naturally. This is something that I know I would not have learned if I started my own organization. I was so independent (and I have been since I was very young) that I didn't think that there was any way for me to do things without being the leader in everything. It's great that you wanted to start your own organization and if that's what you always had a mind to do, than good luck to you, but talk about how great your organization is or will be, as opposed to how you do not fit into ours because of reasons you think are valid.

You have given me something to think about. Thanks for taking the time to write that.