Random: Recruitment

AlphaFrog · #1 05-27-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dgdramadawg

This is GENUIS! Was this option discussed with PNMs at your school or was it just not against the rules?

When I was filling out my bid card, I put ASA #1, but then the other house I didn't really want, so I asked if I could put somewhere where I got cut round 1, and they said I could. I picked a house I didn't think I'd mind being in, just in case...

DeltaBetaBaby · #2 05-28-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

When I was filling out my bid card, I put ASA #1, but then the other house I didn't really want, so I asked if I could put somewhere where I got cut round 1, and they said I could. I picked a house I didn't think I'd mind being in, just in case...

So if you weren't on ASA's bid list, you would have been just fine accepting COB from them the next day?

FSUZeta · #3 05-28-2007, 07:08 PM

not a myth, but some advice:

pnms, i would advise you to wait to attend fraternity parties until after recruitment. if sorority members are at the parties, it can be ackward for you, since they cannot talk to you-but believe me, they will be watching how you are behaving yourself!! there will be plenty of parties to attend AFTER recruitment.

also, DO NOT listen to guys when they try to tell you which sorority to join. they have no clue how well the sisters get along with one another, and may actually not even know any of the members, but are just passing on info. they have heard. Would you let that guy tell you which fraternity guy to date, what you should eat for lunch in the cafeteria or what you should major in? then don't listen to their opinion on sororities!!

DeltaBetaBaby · #4 05-28-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta

not a myth, but some advice:

pnms, i would advise you to wait to attend fraternity parties until after recruitment. if sorority members are at the parties, it can be ackward for you, since they cannot talk to you-but believe me, they will be watching how you are behaving yourself!! there will be plenty of parties to attend AFTER recruitment.

also, DO NOT listen to guys when they try to tell you which sorority to join. they have no clue how well the sisters get along with one another, and may actually not even know any of the members, but are just passing on info. they have heard. Would you let that guy tell you which fraternity guy to date, what you should eat for lunch in the cafeteria or what you should major in? then don't listen to their opinion on sororities!!

Hahaha, this is good advice. I remember my brother's brothers (as in, the guys in my blood sibling's fraternity) telling me that ABC and DEF were the best sororities, even though those sororities would have nothing to do with them. The guys were really all dating XYZ's and MNO's, and I ended up liking the latter sororities much better.

AOIIalum · #5 05-28-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta

not a myth, but some advice:

pnms, i would advise you to wait to attend fraternity parties until after recruitment. if sorority members are at the parties, it can be awkward for you, since they cannot talk to you-but believe me, they will be watching how you are behaving yourself!! there will be plenty of parties to attend AFTER recruitment.

also, DO NOT listen to guys when they try to tell you which sorority to join. they have no clue how well the sisters get along with one another, and may actually not even know any of the members, but are just passing on info. they have heard. Would you let that guy tell you which fraternity guy to date, what you should eat for lunch in the cafeteria or what you should major in? then don't listen to their opinion on sororities!!

Read these very wise words, commit them to memory, and re-visit them often.

AlphaFrog · #6 05-29-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

So if you weren't on ASA's bid list, you would have been just fine accepting COB from them the next day?

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but if you're trying to reference my earlier post about dirty rushing and saying that if a sorority is trying to get you to do things to get you as a quota addtion, instead of putting you on their first bid list, you should tell them to go jump...

I wouldn't have minded taking COB from ASA if I wasn't on their bid list, because at least they played fairly, and would have let me go somewhere else if I was on that other org's first bid list.

My point is (provided I fit with both orgs) I'd rather go to a GLO that had me 1st on their bidlist than one that snuck me in through QA or dirty rushing or where I was last on their bidlist.

DeltaBetaBaby · #7 05-29-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but if you're trying to reference my earlier post about dirty rushing and saying that if a sorority is trying to get you to do things to get you as a quota addtion, instead of putting you on their first bid list, you should tell them to go jump...

I wouldn't have minded taking COB from ASA if I wasn't on their bid list, because at least they played fairly, and would have let me go somewhere else if I was on that other org's first bid list.

My point is (provided I fit with both orgs) I'd rather go to a GLO that had me 1st on their bidlist than one that snuck me in through QA or dirty rushing or where I was last on their bidlist.

Yeah, I am not sure I understand the difference. If ASA told you to do this, and then ranked you low intentionally, you would not accept a bid, but if you did it of your own accord, and they ranked you low because they didn't think you were a good fit, you would accept a bid?

DeltaBetaBaby · #8 05-29-2007, 11:32 PM

Sorry for the double-post, but a couple of comments:

1) A PNM should NOT list a chapter that they would not accept a bid from under any circumstances. Usually, if a PNM absolutely hate hate hates a chapter, it is because they are the small/weak chapter on campus. If you list them on your bid card, you will match there before you will be a QA to your favorite group. The only way to be a QA is if all the chapters you pref make quota.

2) Getting "cross-cut" is a bit of a myth. That is not exactly how bid matching works. You should put your first choice chapter first, rather than trying to guess where you are on some chapter's bid list.

3) Please remember that campus rules trump the Green Book, so do not take anything as the gospel because you saw it here. Go ask your Greek Life office.

violetpretty · #9 05-30-2007, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

1) A PNM should NOT list a chapter that they would not accept a bid from under any circumstances. Usually, if a PNM absolutely hate hate hates a chapter, it is because they are the small/weak chapter on campus. If you list them on your bid card, you will match there before you will be a QA to your favorite group. The only way to be a QA is if all the chapters you pref make quota.

Even if the weak group DOES make quota before getting to her name, the PNM would probably get matched as a QA there, not to her top choice because preference is given to the chapter with the smallest size, not necessarily the PNM's preference.

lyrelyre · #10 05-30-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JessSigKap

preference is given to the chapter with the smallest size, not necessarily the PNM's preference

I believe that someone already said local campus rules trump the Green Book. This is an area where that is the case. The two large universities in the state where I went to school do this differently. One goes by chapter size and one goes by PNM preference.

AlphaFrog · #11 05-30-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

1) A PNM should NOT list a chapter that they would not accept a bid from under any circumstances. Usually, if a PNM absolutely hate hate hates a chapter, it is because they are the small/weak chapter on campus. If you list them on your bid card, you will match there before you will be a QA to your favorite group. The only way to be a QA is if all the chapters you pref make quota.

Not all PNMs "hate, hate, hate" the small/weak chapter. I ranked one of the strongest chapters on campus last, because I did NOT like the girls. In fact, my second round ranking card was:

1. Large Chapter
2. Small Chapter
3. Large Chapter
4. Small Chapter
5. Large Chapter
6. Large Chapter
7. Medium Chapter

And my pref carf was:

1. Small Chapter
2. Large Chapter

Although, I guess we've already established that I'm not the norm when it comes to recruitment.

UGAalum94 · #12 05-30-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

2) Getting "cross-cut" is a bit of a myth. That is not exactly how bid matching works. You should put your first choice chapter first, rather than trying to guess where you are on some chapter's bid list.

I agree completely that you should put down the groups in the order you are interested.

But I was wondering if getting cross cut was always a myth? I guess I'm kind of a rush/recruitment history student.

I can see how with computer programs, it's unlikely to occur today because the lists can all be run simultaneously. But in the old days of reps from all groups sitting around a table, didn't the order matter more?

(I have this impression that let's say you were on the third list of the group you put first, that your second and third choices, who might have had you on their first lists, were filling up while you were waiting to see how far down your first choice group was going to go. Was your spot on the other groups' lists secure until it was all over?

AZ-AlphaXi · #13 05-30-2007, 02:10 PM

re: bid matching ...

if the procedure in the "green book" was followed correctly, once you moved on to a group's first bid list ... whether you got there by being there to begin with or moved there from the second bid list ... your place was supposed to be secure. The group could not make quota without you getting a bid.

susan314 · #14 05-31-2007, 12:07 AM

I'll be attending my first bid matching session this fall, so all of this is so educational. I'm vaguely familiar with how it works, as I was a Rho Chi and on Panhel Exec...we had to have a bit of a clue. But, I never actually had to sit through the matching process.

Will be interesting to see...

susan314 · #15 05-29-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Yeah, I am not sure I understand the difference. If ASA told you to do this, and then ranked you low intentionally, you would not accept a bid, but if you did it of your own accord, and they ranked you low because they didn't think you were a good fit, you would accept a bid?

I think I get what she's saying.

In the second scenario you listed, it may not be that they didn't think she was a good fit...they just don't know her well enough yet. If they invite her to a COB event to get to know her a little better, they might fall in love with her and realize that they almost missed out during formal recruitment.

In the first scenario, the group already feels like they know her (one would assume if you're going to go to the trouble of dirty rushing a PNM like that, you feel like you know her well enough)...even though they already feel like they know and like her, they just don't like her enough to rank her high on their list.

In one scenario, they don't realize what they're missing out on. In the other scenario, they're well aware that they could be taking the risk of losing her by not placing her on the 1st bid list, and they go ahead and take that risk anyhow.