WSU Sigma Nu Charter Revoked (Hazing)

TSteven · #1 05-24-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

What I meant is that I doubt that any HQ would pull a charter over pics that were up for interpretation, as Kevin implied in his first post. I don't know how you would define "up for interpretation" though. Someone underage with a solo cup that also has vodka in the pic...that I guess could be interpreted different ways. Someone's red, bloody ass and a paddle in a pic, however, leaves little for interpretation - Even as a "joke" with fake blood, etc would be inappropriate for someone to post. I'm not saying either of these scenarios were present in this situation. I'm just saying that one warrents more action than the other.

Bottom line is that in and of their own selves, pictures might not be sufficient to close a chapter. However, they can be more than sufficient to warrant an investigation by HQ. In other words, pictures can often be "the smoke" when it comes to the saying: "Where there is smoke, there is fire."

VandalSquirrel · #2 05-24-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven

Bottom line is that in and of their own selves, pictures might not be sufficient to close a chapter. However, they can be more than sufficient to warrant an investigation by HQ. In other words, pictures can often be "the smoke" when it comes to the saying: "Where there is smoke, there is fire."

We also have no idea what may have happened in the past. It may be the final action in a string of incidents we aren't privy to. I am sure Kevin can confirm this, but chapters aren't usually closed without careful though and consideration, especially one with a long history and obvious awards.

SigKapCoug · #3 05-24-2007, 04:57 PM

I of course don't know for sure, but campus rumors are they were shut down for hazing.

The two unhouses chapters - Sigma Chi, TEKE, are probably too small to make it reasonable to lease the house - which is HUGE.

The house mother for my chapter and I always joke how nice it would be to gut their house and move in (as its a stereotypical frat house on the inside - stains, holes in walls..).

Sigma Nu finished the semester with a GPA over 3.0 (very high for a fraternity on our campus) and was/is one of the largest chapters on campus. From what I understand, they were under a lot of pressure from alumni to get grades up in order to possibly save the chapter, but I don't know how much truth there is to that.

exlurker · #4 05-24-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SigKapCoug

. . .Sigma Nu finished the semester with a GPA over 3.0 (very high for a fraternity on our campus) and was/is one of the largest chapters on campus. . . .

Recent grades and membership numbers at Washington State do indicate Sigma Nu's high grade ranking there:

http://www.wsu.edu/GreekLife/Grade_R...Spring2007.htm

KyleMcGuire1983 · #5 05-24-2007, 05:44 PM

hmmm yeah I got that email from national today about the charter pull.....then our alumni advisor re-sent it to everybody in the chapter and is all "see what happens when you haze? you guys better never haze"

Kevin · #6 05-24-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KyleMcGuire1983

hmmm yeah I got that email from national today about the charter pull.....then our alumni advisor re-sent it to everybody in the chapter and is all "see what happens when you haze? you guys better never haze"

He's definitely on top of his game

TSteven · #7 05-24-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

We also have no idea what may have happened in the past. It may be the final action in a string of incidents we aren't privy to. I am sure Kevin can confirm this, but chapters aren't usually closed without careful though and consideration, especially one with a long history and obvious awards.

I couldn't agree with you more.

Kevin · #8 05-24-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven

I couldn't agree with you more.

I won't pretend to know anything about this past what is in the news release.

TSteven · #9 05-24-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

I won't pretend to know anything about this past what is in the news release.

Frankly, unless it is public knowledge, it is Sigma Nu's business and no one else's.

Kevin · #10 05-24-2007, 08:19 PM

That's how I intend to keep it in here

#11 05-24-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven

Frankly, unless it is public knowledge, it is Sigma Nu's business and no one else's.

I agree.

In addition, I'd like to think this should apply to all GLOs as well.

Whatever goes on in a fraternity/sorority is the business of its members and its members only. Unless it's public knowledge, it's nobody else's business except that of the GLO.

I wish more GCers knew how to respect that.

Kevin · #12 05-24-2007, 08:50 PM

Absolutely. I delete rumors and hearsay with extreme prejudice no matter what the organization. Sorry if I implied I would be unfairly acting to protect my own organization.

dznat187 · #13 08-05-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW

I agree.

In addition, I'd like to think this should apply to all GLOs as well.

Whatever goes on in a fraternity/sorority is the business of its members and its members only. Unless it's public knowledge, it's nobody else's business except that of the GLO.

I wish more GCers knew how to respect that.

While I agree. I think it is also important to use situations as educational oportunities. There is no need for groups to repeat the bad decisions and mistakes of others. As a greek community we should be willing to share our mistakes and successes to help improve the greek community as a whole. While it is great for one chapter or group to be great. What good would it be if all the other orgs are struggling or getting closed? Just a thought.

Also, I just began working at WSU and from talking with Greek life staff, there was an investigation (not just pics) and there were previous issues with the chapter. It is very sad though, sa their house is beautiful and they were excelling academically. Again, maybe other chapters can learn from this and when they come back in the future they will be better off if they learn from this experience.

jon1856 · #14 08-05-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW

I agree.

In addition, I'd like to think this should apply to all GLOs as well.

Whatever goes on in a fraternity/sorority is the business of its members and its members only. Unless it's public knowledge, it's nobody else's business except that of the GLO.

I wish more GCers knew how to respect that.

Part of me wishes to believe and think this. But another part does not feel right about "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas".

And yes, I know that there is a great deal of gray.

If one is talking about a chapter house and problems within it, all that is going to happen is that matters will get worse. I am judging that from personal observation and experience.

If you are talking about National matters, policy, procedures, protocol's et al, that is a different matter.

And as part of "the gray" we have seen all to often how little Greek problems become very large, very quickly. And rather public.

tallgreekalum · #15 05-24-2007, 04:58 PM

I've noticed that a number of fraternities seem to be adopting a pull first, grant appeals later philosophy as of late. For instance, the infamous Ole Miss Kappa Sig incident, which involved KS pulling the charter over a facebook pic from a year before. After the chapter jumped a lot of hoops, they were granted probationary status. Due process is not the trend, it seems. KS did the same at Lehigh, but in their case, it resulted in the chapter losing campus housing. I don't think that would fly in AD. Not that we have any hazing/substance use issues in AD!