WSU Sigma Nu Charter Revoked (Hazing)

[AlphaFrog]

Normally, to get a charter revoked, they'd pretty much have to be pretty cut-and-dry pictures.

And if you're dumb enough to put hazing pics on Myspace/Facebook, whether they're true or a joke, you don't deserve a charter.

[Kevin]

This is really pretty bad. They just finished a new house/huge rennovation in '02. There must be hundreds of thousands if not millions in debt from that. They were one of the better organizations on campus, a recipient of The Rock award which went to our top 5 or so chapters, top in grades on campus.

This is very unfortunate. We've lost several of our best chapters in recent months due to hazing violations.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by Kevin

This is really pretty bad. They just finished a new house/huge rennovation in '02. There must be hundreds of thousands if not millions in debt from that. They were one of the better organizations on campus, a recipient of The Rock award which went to our top 5 or so chapters, top in grades on campus.

This is very unfortunate. We've lost several of our best chapters in recent months due to hazing violations.

I always heard interesting stories about what prompted the house renovation over there. The UI chapter recently finished their house upgrade and it is just lovely.

I'm also a bit about people and what they put out on the intarweb. I don't think I am *that* old, but when I do dumb stuff it doesn't usually cross my mind to document it, and if it is, there is no way it is going public. Sadly I think it is a generational thing, and I'm going to soon be complaining about loud music, kids in my yard, and sitting on in a rocking chair with a shot gun.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I'm also a bit about people and what they put out on the intarweb. I don't think I am *that* old, but when I do dumb stuff it doesn't usually cross my mind to document it, and if it is, there is no way it is going public. Sadly I think it is a generational thing, and I'm going to soon be complaining about loud music, kids in my yard, and sitting on in a rocking chair with a shot gun.

I don't think it's generational. I'm 24 and I agree with you. But then, I think I got a visit from the common sense fairy at birth...she seems to have been skipping over more and more people as of late.

[SigmaNuHX766]

Yeah, as a recently legal 21 year old, I can tell you my friends and I did stupid stuff. Hell, sometimes, we took pictures... but I'll be damned if I'm going to let the pictures get on the net.

This is really sad news about WSU... any idea what went down? That chapter's been around since 1910. It's a shame to see one of our Rock Chapters go.

[Tom Earp]

Kevin I am sorry and it is sad to hear!

The real world is out there and they have to learn! The problem is it hurts all of us as you well know!

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Kevin

This is really pretty bad. They just finished a new house/huge renovation in '02. There must be hundreds of thousands if not millions in debt from that.

Ideally, there might be an un-housed fraternity or sorority on campus that could rent the house until y'all come back.

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Normally, to get a charter revoked, they'd pretty much have to be pretty cut-and-dry pictures.

I have to disagree with this.

I haven't seen the pictures in question, but in the case of any chapter closing (whether it be hazing, low numbers, other repeated violations), I find it hard to believe that an HQ would just yank a charter without doing a full investigation.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by OTW

I have to disagree with this.

I haven't seen the pictures in question, but in the case of any chapter closing (whether it be hazing, low numbers, other repeated violations), I find it hard to believe that an HQ would just yank a charter without doing a full investigation.

Especially not of a chapter such as this one. HUGE expensive remodel just a few years back... a fine chapter all around.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Especially not of a chapter such as this one. HUGE expensive remodel just a few years back... a fine chapter all around.

I just took a look at their chapter website and was going to come back and add that.

It's definitely hard to see any chapter of your organization close, especially one of your oldest and one that's been around for a very, very long time.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by OTW

I have to disagree with this.

I haven't seen the pictures in question, but in the case of any chapter closing (whether it be hazing, low numbers, other repeated violations), I find it hard to believe that an HQ would just yank a charter without doing a full investigation.

What I meant is that I doubt that any HQ would pull a charter over pics that were up for interpretation, as Kevin implied in his first post. I don't know how you would define "up for interpretation" though. Someone underage with a solo cup that also has vodka in the pic...that I guess could be interpreted different ways. Someone's red, bloody ass and a paddle in a pic, however, leaves little for interpretation - Even as a "joke" with fake blood, etc would be inappropriate for someone to post. I'm not saying either of these scenarios were present in this situation. I'm just saying that one warrents more action than the other.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

What I meant is that I doubt that any HQ would pull a charter over pics that were up for interpretation, as Kevin implied in his first post. I don't know how you would define "up for interpretation" though. Someone underage with a solo cup that also has vodka in the pic...that I guess could be interpreted different ways. Someone's red, bloody ass and a paddle in a pic, however, leaves little for interpretation - Even as a "joke" with fake blood, etc would be inappropriate for someone to post. I'm not saying either of these scenarios were present in this situation. I'm just saying that one warrents more action than the other.

Here's the thing though -- there is no possible way a picture can confirm what sort of liquid is in a cup. Could be kool aid.

As to the bloody ass/paddle, yes, it could be staged for shock value. College students have done stranger things.

I'm sure there was more.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

What I meant is that I doubt that any HQ would pull a charter over pics that were up for interpretation, as Kevin implied in his first post. I don't know how you would define "up for interpretation" though. Someone underage with a solo cup that also has vodka in the pic...that I guess could be interpreted different ways. Someone's red, bloody ass and a paddle in a pic, however, leaves little for interpretation - Even as a "joke" with fake blood, etc would be inappropriate for someone to post. I'm not saying either of these scenarios were present in this situation. I'm just saying that one warrents more action than the other.

Bottom line is that in and of their own selves, pictures might not be sufficient to close a chapter. However, they can be more than sufficient to warrant an investigation by HQ. In other words, pictures can often be "the smoke" when it comes to the saying: "Where there is smoke, there is fire."

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by TSteven

Bottom line is that in and of their own selves, pictures might not be sufficient to close a chapter. However, they can be more than sufficient to warrant an investigation by HQ. In other words, pictures can often be "the smoke" when it comes to the saying: "Where there is smoke, there is fire."

We also have no idea what may have happened in the past. It may be the final action in a string of incidents we aren't privy to. I am sure Kevin can confirm this, but chapters aren't usually closed without careful though and consideration, especially one with a long history and obvious awards.

[SigKapCoug]

I of course don't know for sure, but campus rumors are they were shut down for hazing.

The two unhouses chapters - Sigma Chi, TEKE, are probably too small to make it reasonable to lease the house - which is HUGE.

The house mother for my chapter and I always joke how nice it would be to gut their house and move in (as its a stereotypical frat house on the inside - stains, holes in walls..).

Sigma Nu finished the semester with a GPA over 3.0 (very high for a fraternity on our campus) and was/is one of the largest chapters on campus. From what I understand, they were under a lot of pressure from alumni to get grades up in order to possibly save the chapter, but I don't know how much truth there is to that.