"Why Did You Decide to Join ...That?"

[BlueNYC2]

yo true story...i'ma be blunt about this...alot of these newer BGLOs were started by pplz who was online for the D9 orgs and dropped. i'm not sayin all, but a good amount, probably had at least one founder of the org that was online for an NPHC org. I mean, it is what it is, but lets not kid ourselves and say that most of these orgs were started because they couldnt find the ideals they sought in the D9 orgs. even some of the Latin orgs have founders that are pancakes too. same as wit some of these charter members for some of the chapters in the newer orgs. hell thats even happened in the D9...

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

yo true story...i'ma be blunt about this...alot of these newer BGLOs were started by pplz who was online for the D9 orgs and dropped. i'm not sayin all, but a good amount, probably had at least one founder of the org that was online for an NPHC org. I mean, it is what it is, but lets not kid ourselves and say that most of these orgs were started because they couldnt find the ideals they sought in the D9 orgs. even some of the Latin orgs have founders that are pancakes too. same as wit some of these charter members for some of the chapters in the newer orgs. hell thats even happened in the D9...

And while that may be true to some degree, you never know unless you asked...and like u said it's the same for the D9 ...so let me ask you this...what lead u to Sigma? Was it your first choice? I know a lot of people who are in the D9 and thier org wasn't their first choice but came to a decision after doing their homework....we all end up where we are for a reason...do u agree?

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

...but lets not kid ourselves and say that most of these orgs were started because they couldnt find the ideals they sought in the D9 orgs.

In all fairness, if these individuals found the ideals they sought in the D9 orgs, the individuals involved would've been members of whatever NPHC org. But they couldn't find those ideals, so they dropped and started something else. Does this make sense?

even some of the Latin orgs have founders that are pancakestoo.

What's a pancake? Does this have anything to do with Theta Phi Psi Fraternity (a BGLO founded in 2002 at Denny's) *lol*

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

In all fairness, if these individuals found the ideals they sought in the D9 orgs, the individuals involved would've been members of whatever NPHC org. But they couldn't find those ideals, so they dropped and started something else. Does this make sense?



What's a pancake? Does this have anything to do with Theta Phi Psi Fraternity (a BGLO founded in 2002 at Denny's) *lol*

dayum...can't even get an IHOP chapter?

[Kevin]

I never went through rush.. I was simply recruited when Sigma Nu first came to our campus. I joined up a semester after they came on.

Why did I join? I don't think any fraternity in this state can boast more prominent members in business/government than Sigma Nu. Also, I guess it was a big deal to me that I could be a big part of starting something which was going to exist for a long time and touch many lives.

I was also philosophically against hazing -- something which at the time I would have rushed was featured in every other organization on campus.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I never went through rush.. I was simply recruited when Sigma Nu first came to our campus. I joined up a semester after they came on.

Why did I join? I don't think any fraternity in this state can boast more prominent members in business/government than Sigma Nu. Also, I guess it was a big deal to me that I could be a big part of starting something which was going to exist for a long time and touch many lives.

I was also philosophically against hazing -- something which at the time I would have rushed was featured in every other organization on campus.

That's different. When Sigma Nu was new to your campus, it's not like the organization was 20 years old. I don't think GLOs really question why someone would join a historical GLO, it's the new GLOs that we wonder about.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

That's different. When Sigma Nu was new to your campus, it's not like the organization was 20 years old. I don't think GLOs really question why someone would join a historical GLO, it's the new GLOs that we wonder about.

At the time, I had never really heard of Sigma Nu. It turns out that we have one of the best alumni groups of any national organization in our state. I suppose I just got lucky there. They didn't use the organization's history to recruit me and honestly, history wasn't a huge concern of mine. I was more interested in whether or not I'd have a positive experience.

I think that's basically what most kids are looking for. Sure, there are a few who are tuned in to the prestige and history of a good national organization, but most just want to have a good time.

[KyleMcGuire1983]

Originally Posted by Kevin

At the time, I had never really heard of Sigma Nu. It turns out that we have one of the best alumni groups of any national organization in our state. I suppose I just got lucky there. They didn't use the organization's history to recruit me and honestly, history wasn't a huge concern of mine. I was more interested in whether or not I'd have a positive experience.

I think that's basically what most kids are looking for. Sure, there are a few who are tuned in to the prestige and history of a good national organization, but most just want to have a good time.

I wish Sigma Nu had strong Alumni groups in California :-(

[BlueNYC2]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

In all fairness, if these individuals found the ideals they sought in the D9 orgs, the individuals involved would've been members of whatever NPHC org. But they couldn't find those ideals, so they dropped and started something else. Does this make sense?



What's a pancake? Does this have anything to do with Theta Phi Psi Fraternity (a BGLO founded in 2002 at Denny's) *lol*

son, you know why some ppl drop. you know exactly what i'm talkin about. and yes it does make sense...cuz i know of a newer org that was started and 2 of their founders was on for a NPHC org.

and a pancake is someone who was online for one org, but dropped and crossed another.


i mean i aint got no beef wit the new orgs...hey if they nphc aint ya cup of tea, no doubt, i aint knockin you...
and another thing...i think that we're almost gettin to the point of saturation. there's so many newer orgs out there, that its hard for them to expand. some orgs been around for near 30 years and they barely got 25 chapters. shit, it took PBS almost 20 years to get to Alpha Alpha...and i think we're just comin up on Beta Gamma Alpha chapter now, as far as undergrad chapters go.

[SoEnchanting]

Someone started a similar topic less than a month ago http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=86649

Daemon, you get much respect from me for having the courage to try something new.

I really like your comment about people assuming that if you aren't in the D9, then you must have tried to be and didn't make it. This has certainly not been the case in my experiences (and if I found out someone was seeking us out for this reason they would be shown the door with a quickness!).

For me, it was something I saw in my sorority that I did not see in anything else around me at the time. It was a close-knit, special bond and dedication to service and sisterhood. It was something that I wanted to be a part of and help disseminate in the future. The fact that it was also multicultural was icing on the cake!

It's not always easy being the new kid on the block. Growing up all I ever knew were NPHC orgs, so I understand the confusion. But for me, I enjoy educating people and showing that there are other alternatives out there. And to be honest I've gotten more love than hate for doing it.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

son, you know why some ppl drop. you know exactly what i'm talkin about. and yes it does make sense...cuz i know of a newer org that was started and 2 of their founders was on for a NPHC org.

So are you saying that when some new orgs history indicates that its founders "didn't find what they were looking for" in an NPHC org, it's merely smoke-and-mirrors for them being on line for an NPHC org and, well you know the deal....is that what you're alluding to? If so, I gotcha', no further explanation required.

About this newer org you know of...what was its name? I ask because I know of a ton of relatively new BGLOs, one of which died out within a year of its founding--Gamma Phi Eta (and its sister sorority, Xi Gamma Phi); it turned out after reading some context clues from its website (which is still up btw), that it was a knockoff of your frat and its founders were "Eternal Crescents".

and a pancake is someone who was online for one org, but dropped and crossed another.

Gotcha

and another thing...i think that we're almost gettin to the point of saturation. there's so many newer orgs out there, that its hard for them to expand. some orgs been around for near 30 years and they barely got 25 chapters. shit, it took PBS almost 20 years to get to Alpha Alpha...and i think we're just comin up on Beta Gamma Alpha chapter now, as far as undergrad chapters go.

(at bolded) Phi Eta Psi and Phi Delta Psi Fraternities come to mind. Heck, Beta Phi Pi and Delta Psi Chi fraternities (founded in 1986 and 1985, respecively) come to mind. Speaking of which, I remember when I was at Central State, there was a chapter of Delta Psi Chi on the yard, and I remember this one cat who was a member was trying to get me to join. I politely passed on the offer--I know what's it like to be in an underdog frat and while I got nothing but love for them, I didn't want to be in another org where the FAQ from folk who see my letters ask "What's that?" After a while that gets old and my answers began to have a smart-alecky slant to them. But I digress....

[rhoyaltempest]

I think you should be able to join any organization that you choose, if for no other reason than because you want to, but when you try to mimic one of the NPHC orgs exactly, what does that tell everyone? Like the fraternity Kappa Psi Kappa. These guys have the diamond and the cane as their symbols...are you kidding me?????? How reject can you get? How disrespectful can you get?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

... but when you try to mimic one of the NPHC orgs exactly, what does that tell everyone? ...

This topic has been discussed on GC ad nauseum (?sp) to the point that the threads got locked and deleted. It can become a very hot topic on GC for the very reason that it does appear that people starting these new BGLOs do so simply because they were either rejected from their D9 of choice or they became disillusioned with the D9 they joined. I have no problem with people wanting to start a new BGLO or any GLO for that matter. My Founders did it along with the others in the D9, NPC, IFC and NIC. It's just that when these new ones copy the established ones so blatantly, then these new guys do seem suspect. If you don't want to be me, then don't copy me.


DaemondSeid - just do a search for Pi Kappa Alpha at Howard U. I think you might find some of the reasons you are looking for.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

This topic has been discussed on GC ad nauseum (?sp) to the point that the threads got locked and deleted. It can become a very hot topic on GC for the very reason that it does appear that people starting these new BGLOs do so simply because they were either rejected from their D9 of choice or they became disillusioned with the D9 they joined. I have no problem with people wanting to start a new BGLO or any GLO for that matter. My Founders did it along with the others in the D9, NPC, IFC and NIC. It's just that when these new ones copy the established ones so blatantly, then these new guys do seem suspect. If you don't want to be me, then don't copy me.


DaemondSeid - just do a search for Pi Kappa Alpha at Howard U. I think you might find some of the reasons you are looking for.

Diva...I have been in for 13 years....the only reason why I brought this topic up is that I am seeing more and more new orgs popping up than there was when I first crossed way back when and now that I am seeing lots and lots of these new orgs, I am curious about their perspectives for doing something against the grain

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I think you should be able to join any organization that you choose, if for no other reason than because you want to, but when you try to mimic one of the NPHC orgs exactly, what does that tell everyone? Like the fraternity Kappa Psi Kappa. These guys have the diamond and the cane as their symbols...are you kidding me?????? How reject can you get? How disrespectful can you get?

btw, there's a K Psi K that just registered on GC that started a thread in the "Fraternity Recruitment" forum. Apparently, they're looking for new members. Check it out.