"Why Did You Decide to Join ...That?"

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

son, you know why some ppl drop. you know exactly what i'm talkin about. and yes it does make sense...cuz i know of a newer org that was started and 2 of their founders was on for a NPHC org.

So are you saying that when some new orgs history indicates that its founders "didn't find what they were looking for" in an NPHC org, it's merely smoke-and-mirrors for them being on line for an NPHC org and, well you know the deal....is that what you're alluding to? If so, I gotcha', no further explanation required.

About this newer org you know of...what was its name? I ask because I know of a ton of relatively new BGLOs, one of which died out within a year of its founding--Gamma Phi Eta (and its sister sorority, Xi Gamma Phi); it turned out after reading some context clues from its website (which is still up btw), that it was a knockoff of your frat and its founders were "Eternal Crescents".

and a pancake is someone who was online for one org, but dropped and crossed another.

Gotcha

and another thing...i think that we're almost gettin to the point of saturation. there's so many newer orgs out there, that its hard for them to expand. some orgs been around for near 30 years and they barely got 25 chapters. shit, it took PBS almost 20 years to get to Alpha Alpha...and i think we're just comin up on Beta Gamma Alpha chapter now, as far as undergrad chapters go.

(at bolded) Phi Eta Psi and Phi Delta Psi Fraternities come to mind. Heck, Beta Phi Pi and Delta Psi Chi fraternities (founded in 1986 and 1985, respecively) come to mind. Speaking of which, I remember when I was at Central State, there was a chapter of Delta Psi Chi on the yard, and I remember this one cat who was a member was trying to get me to join. I politely passed on the offer--I know what's it like to be in an underdog frat and while I got nothing but love for them, I didn't want to be in another org where the FAQ from folk who see my letters ask "What's that?" After a while that gets old and my answers began to have a smart-alecky slant to them. But I digress....

[rhoyaltempest]

I think you should be able to join any organization that you choose, if for no other reason than because you want to, but when you try to mimic one of the NPHC orgs exactly, what does that tell everyone? Like the fraternity Kappa Psi Kappa. These guys have the diamond and the cane as their symbols...are you kidding me?????? How reject can you get? How disrespectful can you get?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

... but when you try to mimic one of the NPHC orgs exactly, what does that tell everyone? ...

This topic has been discussed on GC ad nauseum (?sp) to the point that the threads got locked and deleted. It can become a very hot topic on GC for the very reason that it does appear that people starting these new BGLOs do so simply because they were either rejected from their D9 of choice or they became disillusioned with the D9 they joined. I have no problem with people wanting to start a new BGLO or any GLO for that matter. My Founders did it along with the others in the D9, NPC, IFC and NIC. It's just that when these new ones copy the established ones so blatantly, then these new guys do seem suspect. If you don't want to be me, then don't copy me.


DaemondSeid - just do a search for Pi Kappa Alpha at Howard U. I think you might find some of the reasons you are looking for.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

This topic has been discussed on GC ad nauseum (?sp) to the point that the threads got locked and deleted. It can become a very hot topic on GC for the very reason that it does appear that people starting these new BGLOs do so simply because they were either rejected from their D9 of choice or they became disillusioned with the D9 they joined. I have no problem with people wanting to start a new BGLO or any GLO for that matter. My Founders did it along with the others in the D9, NPC, IFC and NIC. It's just that when these new ones copy the established ones so blatantly, then these new guys do seem suspect. If you don't want to be me, then don't copy me.


DaemondSeid - just do a search for Pi Kappa Alpha at Howard U. I think you might find some of the reasons you are looking for.

Diva...I have been in for 13 years....the only reason why I brought this topic up is that I am seeing more and more new orgs popping up than there was when I first crossed way back when and now that I am seeing lots and lots of these new orgs, I am curious about their perspectives for doing something against the grain

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Diva...I have been in for 13 years....the only reason why I brought this topic up is that I am seeing more and more new orgs popping up than there was when I first crossed way back when and now that I am seeing lots and lots of these new orgs, I am curious about their perspectives for doing something against the grain

Like I said, the two most common reasons seem to be they were either rejected from their D9 of choice or they were disillusioned with the D9 they joined. Fine. But, if you (the general you) are going to be all with the D9 for what ever reason, then don't go start your org and mimic the D9. You do you for the reasons that inspire you. And, if your reasons are so different from the D9 then your true uniqueness will shine through. You won't have to go around looking for reasons to justify your org.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Like I said, the two most common reasons seem to be they were either rejected from their D9 of choice or they were disillusioned with the D9 they joined. Fine. But, if you (the general you) are going to be all with the D9 for what ever reason, then don't go start your org and mimic the D9. You do you for the reasons that inspire you. And, if your reasons are so different from the D9 then your true uniqueness will shine through. You won't have to go around looking for reasons to justify your org.

I have to agree with this. I can understand wanting to start your own organization but I don't understand why anyone would want to mimic those that they are trying so hard NOT to be like, unless they are going to add something unique.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I have to agree with this. I can understand wanting to start your own organization but I don't understand why anyone would want to mimic those that they are trying so hard NOT to be like, unless they are going to add something unique.

if you are going to ask the questions of mimicing...then u have to then ask your orginal founders WHY they created their orgs...as another question i am so commonly asked....and I am SURE somewhere along the line ..WHY on GOD'S green earth would a BLACK person join a GREEK LETTERED organization and not an African one.....and yet...it's a valid and fair question. It's not like the 9 did anything different than newer GLO's are doing...they got grief for wanting to do something and for various reasons they didn't find it among what was already present and made the decision to branch out and carve thier own niche....it's like trying to tell someone that there are only 9 things in life you can ever hope to be and out of those 9 you can only truly choose one without giving that person the benefit of saying....well I know that there is more to this world than 9 choices.....just like your founders made the choice to start soemthing of thier own and no matter 'how unique' they are supposed to be, they / we all serve the same purpose....THAT is the bottom line.


The only thing that divides us are our colors and our symbols....take that away and what else are we.....

Bottom Line: Most of us joined our respective organization to in some capacity serve the communites in which we live right?

Last time I checked...I did

And truthfully? Bottom Line?

I could just as easily do without and did it either on my own or as an individual..but as just another gardener out here...nothing gets cultivated without extra hands...questio is...who else's hands do you trust to help you?

Read my quote at the bottom of this page please....define that for yourself because when it comes right dfonw to it, that is how I feel about Greekdom.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Diva...I have been in for 13 years....the only reason why I brought this topic up is that I am seeing more and more new orgs popping up than there was when I first crossed way back when and now that I am seeing lots and lots of these new orgs, I am curious about their perspectives for doing something against the grain

You do realize that every D9 org. was founded to go against the then existing grain?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

You do realize that every D9 org. was founded to go against the then existing grain?

awww come on now...sweetie I wasnt born yesterday...

Sigma Pi Phi and then Alpha Phi Alpha was created out of that very reason...the Prince Hall Masons...one of the very reasons why frats and sororities also exists was created because whites found ways to keep black lodge members out

just like I know that 22 of the AKAs seceeded because they couldn't see eye to eye on the direction of the sorority at that time and thus your sorority was created...please don't try to insult my intelligence....just because I am in a younger org doesn't mean I am not knowledgable about the 9.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

awww come on now...sweetie I wasnt born yesterday...

Sigma Pi Phi and then Alpha Phi Alpha was created out of that very reason...the Prince Hall Masons...one of the very reasons why frats and sororities also exists was created because whites found ways to keep black lodge members out

just like I know that 22 of the AKAs seceeded because they couldn't see eye to eye on the direction of the sorority at that time and thus your sorority was created...please don't try to insult my intelligence....just because I am in a younger org doesn't mean I am not knowledgable about the 9.

Um, first of all I am not your sweetie and second, compared to me you were born yesterday. Lastly, I was responding to your post, so if my response insulted your intelligence that speaks more to your post than mine.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I think you should be able to join any organization that you choose, if for no other reason than because you want to, but when you try to mimic one of the NPHC orgs exactly, what does that tell everyone? Like the fraternity Kappa Psi Kappa. These guys have the diamond and the cane as their symbols...are you kidding me?????? How reject can you get? How disrespectful can you get?

btw, there's a K Psi K that just registered on GC that started a thread in the "Fraternity Recruitment" forum. Apparently, they're looking for new members. Check it out.

[OneBadZeta02]

My thing is this: Zeta was my first and only choice, but that's me and I have my reasons. If you feel the need to explore the Divine 9 or start up your own organization, then do you. I do have to agree with my frat though to a degree because what he said is true in some instances, not all of them, and vice versa...but hey, who's to say!

[Live_Wire17]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I think you should be able to join any organization that you choose, if for no other reason than because you want to, but when you try to mimic one of the NPHC orgs exactly, what does that tell everyone? Like the fraternity Kappa Psi Kappa. These guys have the diamond and the cane as their symbols...are you kidding me?????? How reject can you get? How disrespectful can you get?

I agree with you. What gets me is...How can you say that you started or joined a newer org because the older ones didn't have what you were looking for? I mean...I KNOW my ILLUSTRIOUS founders (as with ALL D9s) have done the gammut...are they saying that our founders missed something???? Give me a break. So to just piggyback what you said...Just say you joined another because you wanted to. I can accept that better then one saying, "Oh, they didn't have what I was looking for." The truth is ALL D9s have their own uniqueness and if one is "worthy" then one may be invited.

I waited years to be a Delta and NEVER once did my enthusiasm wax or waver but only intensified on the mere thought of being a member one day...I need these new orgs to respect the history of the D9 and work on building their own as oppose to trying (emphasis on "trying") to disregard ours.

[DSTCHAOS]

I'm always interested when people say "you never know until you ask" but when you ask people say "why are you asking/why are you hating/why are you singling us out."

And I'm also humored that Rain Man is still acknowledged as an entity.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I'm always interested when people say "you never know until you ask" but when you ask people say "why are you asking/why are you hating/why are you singling us out."

And I'm also humored that Rain Man is still acknowledged as an entity.

my policy has always been ask and I will tell u what I can because you dont learn until u ask...

*wink*