White men in NPHC

[Laak 315]

...and so the "double-standard" issue is brought up again...

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by macallan25

....if I stated in a thread that I wouldn't accept a black man into my fraternity because he was black........you would have an absolute shit fit. I can't even imagine how many times you would pull the "shows your true colors" "you're a bigot/racist/etc" crap that you do on a regular basis.

Actually I wouldn't care and I think it would be your right to vote who you want into your organization.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by macallan25

No man, no one was around.

...."LOL" at you talking about my wittiness considering you can't come up with anything else besides calling me an idiot/moron and questioning my intellectual abilities.


--->continue sounding like a broken record.

Hey macallen, let it go. For real. Don't waste time arguing with starang, it is an exercise it futility, and you should be above engaging in petty pissing matches. He ain't worth it. Let it slide off your back, and keep it moving. You're bigger that all that nonsense.

You wanna talk, though? Enlighten me on why you think step shows are boring (for the record, I have never participated in a step show, though I have seen my share). Really. I am curious...

[Dougie]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

sounds like someone is trying to become a victim.....

Nevertheless, it’s a good point. Frankly, If an IFC member were to say that the first thought that would jump into a lot of minds would be “you racist bastard,” and rightly so. Sometimes I wonder if anyone ever gets to the “not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character,” part of the I have a dream speech; or perhaps that courtesy should only go one way? But I digress.

Originally Posted by macallan25

....if I stated in a thread that I wouldn't accept a black man into my fraternity because he was black........you would have an absolute shit fit. I can't even imagine how many times you would pull the "shows your true colors" "you're a bigot/racist/etc" crap that you do on a regular basis.

I can’t imagine how such racism can be condoned in any such context. I have to say though, I’m certainly glad my brothers weren’t so bigoted as to vote against me because of race. But then again, I know they’re all better than that sort of nonsense.

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by Dougie

Nevertheless, it’s a good point. Frankly, If an IFC member were to say that the first thought that would jump into a lot of minds would be “you racist bastard,” and rightly so. Sometimes I wonder if anyone ever gets to the “not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character,” part of the I have a dream speech; or perhaps that courtesy should only go one way? But I digress.



I can’t imagine how such racism can be condoned in any such context. I have to say though, I’m certainly glad my brothers weren’t so bigoted as to vote against me because of race. But then again, I know they’re all better than that sort of nonsense.

Come on Dude you are strecthing it.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Reds6

Come on Dude you are strecthing it.

dang...took the words out of my mouth....

Let's take this one step further....unless someone knows something I don't...when the votes come down, you have no way of knowing why u did or didn't make line...that is up for the committee and last I checked, I don't think that is public record as to why certain individuals didn't make it in no one owes you an explanation for jack, either try again next year or go elsewhere...and I would also hope that any org. has enough discretion to keep Greek biz...Greek biz....

that needs no explanation

[BlueNYC2]

omg...ya'll still on this shit...


ya'll veered way off topic from what the thread starter was askin...

and now ya'll are just...

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

...and so the "double-standard" issue is brought up again...

I agree, and frankly, I find it rather sad. Frankly it sounds like a lot of these "race-based" no votes are done solely to spite and power-trip. Yes, they can vote whichever way they wish for their own personal reasons they may have, but that doesn't make them any more right then those that shut their ancestors out of mainstream orgs for those same reasons.

[Little32]

That some folks weren't even born in 1984 explains so much and restores a small bit of my faith in humanity.

[Dougie]

Originally Posted by Reds6

Come on Dude you are strecthing it.

You think so? given the context which includes a line about black and white children holding hands, I don’t think its a stretch by any means. Plus I’m only talking about votes based solely on race ( and by that let me be clear: I mean skin color exclusively and not any behaviors stereotypically associated with race, assuming such behaviors have been exhibited by the candidate in question.

[IncontRHOllable]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

...and so the "double-standard" issue is brought up again...

Yeah, and here I thought this was addressed on page 14-16 or so

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by Dougie

You think so? given the context which includes a line about black and white children holding hands, I don’t think its a stretch by any means. Plus I’m only talking about votes based solely on race ( and by that let me be clear: I mean skin color exclusively and not any behaviors stereotypically associated with race, assuming such behaviors have been exhibited by the candidate in question.

Yes I think it is stretching it. We aren't talking about someone not being able to live in a particular neighborhood, hiring practices, or having the ability to an equal education as others. We are talking about a preference to have who you want in your particular private organization. To me it's not about the color of their skin but in my opinion the inability to comment themselves to causes that affect the black community with not just empathy but true understanding. For instance someone mentioned earlier that things are much better than during the civil rights movement. Well that right there is an issue for me. I don't discount the fact that my situation is better than my grandparents or even my parents, but I also recognize we have a long way to go as a people in terms of equality. When I look at the disparities of children in care, black men in the prison system, blacks receiving longer sentences for the same crime as their white peer, and the disparities of the number of black children living in poverty; I know we are overrepresented it disproportionate numbers in all of those systems and many others I understand we are far from the movement and work being older. I don't think most white people get that racism exist; the rather focus on that things aren't as bad as they were in the civil rights movement. I was born in '70, I'm not that far removed from the civil rights movement, heck I remember growing up in NC and knowing there were certain places I was not welcomed and you know what I'm still not welcomed there. I just question is whites can see the experiences that come with race as a person of color.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Dougie

First, the conduct of its individual members reflects on every Greek organization (sometimes all Greek orgs if you’re talking about barbarians' perspectives). That's how it is for all of us, IFC, NPC or NPHC

Second, how on earth is she supposed to know your perspective? I mean honestly. I’ve had long conversations with members of The Movement, one of whom was even a former chairman of SNCC. And after listening to them, I don’t know how you can say things aren’t better. “Today’s Society” may not be perfect, but the generation that was water cannoned and jailed just because they wanted equality made great strides forward. Further, to say “today’s society isn’t much better” is foolish and discounts all that was achieved in the Sixties and Seventies. But I digress, as was previously stated, this is the subject of another conversation.

You have not read the entire topic board. If you did, Drollefille and I were have an A and B conversation. Then you chimed in to post your perspective only reading her posts but not mine. That's fine. But your choice to ignore my posts and elevate hers as law? WTH?

And besides, Drolefille knows who I am. She has seen a significant portions of my posts. Whether she agrees with them or disagrees, it is about mutual respect for one's ideas that we have completely lost within the last 6 months of GC. Enough for me to question why I am here at my age and the insanity of it. Young people pipin' up into elder's faces saying ignorant silliness where the older ones are left scratching there heads and saying I've got my anti-hypertensives... It is plainly disrespectful.

As such, I have resorted to "ole skool" tactics that the kiddies don't know about... "Like a 12" cut of disco kryptonite".

If you choose not to read the entire topic or posts, then don't speak on comments when you lack following the conversation. Because context is everything here. If you lack context, you are no longer communicating with an audience.

When one does that, they are being a flummocky baffoon.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Reds6

To me it's not about the color of their skin but in my opinion the inability to comment themselves to causes that affect the black community with not just empathy but true understanding...I don't think most white people get that racism exist; the rather focus on that things aren't as bad as they were in the civil rights movement. I was born in '70, I'm not that far removed from the civil rights movement, heck I remember growing up in NC and knowing there were certain places I was not welcomed and you know what I'm still not welcomed there. I just question is whites can see the experiences that come with race as a person of color.

While I see where you are coming from, Reds, that's an extremely short-sighted snap judgment your are passing not only on white people, but black people as well. Neither blacks nor whites are a monolithic cookie-cutter race. Blacks are no more inheritantly committed to the welfare of the Black community than Whites being inheritantly ignorant and insensitive to the challenges of Blacks.

I could say more, but suffice it say, whatever our social circles we congregate and socialize in, we are not a monolithic group.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by macallan25

....if I stated in a thread that I wouldn't accept a black man into my fraternity because he was black........you would have an absolute shit fit. I can't even imagine how many times you would pull the "shows your true colors" "you're a bigot/racist/etc" crap that you do on a regular basis.

actually, personally i could care less. that's YOUR fraternity. now if you did that as someone who makes hiring decisions for a company, then it would apply. as it is, i don't give two hoots.