White men in NPHC

[IncontRHOllable]

Originally Posted by oldblue

In the fall I will be a sophmore at a large HBCU. I am interested in joing a Fraternity. I would like any advice or tips on joing. I do not know exactly how to approach it. How large of a hurdle if any will my ethnic backround be.

Unlike what some of the non-D9 members would have you to believe, the D9 does not have a shut door policy to people of other races. My sorority has plenty of non-black sorors and I am proud to call them my sister no matter what their skin color. There are also plenty of non-black members of the D9 frats that I have seen out in the community doing service or strolling with their bruhs at a party. Take the advice that you were given by Senusret I, DSTRen and some others that gave you great advice. Good luck to you.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I got some of that from DSTChao's posts, I just think it a shame that there is MORE on a non-black member, however expected that is. I do learn things here

Well, the logic does make sense when you think about it. I'm a social scientist. If for some earthly reason I wanted to join the National Earth Science Association, I'd have the regular requirements to fulfill. But I'd also have to fulfill the unwritten requirements of becoming a hard sciences person, being able to interact with hard sciences people who are or aren't in my organization, and relate to hard sciences "concerns." I can't think it's unfair that I'm being put through the wringer more than people who are hard science people and not social scientists.

Also remember that we are individuals typing. We don't express the sentiment of anyone but ourselves.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think my understanding of "understanding what it is to be black" is basically what you're talking about here. Anything that can be learned through education, should be. When I say that I can't truly understand what's is like to be black it is because I cannot live a second life where I actually experience being black. While currently I am not completely, or even sufficiently, educated on these things I do strive to become more so.

I see. But even after becoming educated on such things, that doesn't mean you have it in your heart to devote a lifetime commitment to such things. That applies to any organization with a particular type of interest and philanthropy-base.

It's easy to read about things or even see things in passing, but to choose (or be forced) to experience them directly or indirectly is another matter. Many nonblacks have only a passing understanding or concern for things that can be considered in blacks' histories and experiences. They are nonblack members of a BGLO in one setting and switch up completely as soon as they take off their 'nalia and get around other nonblacks.

If starang21 actually hung with other nonblacks, he might've been like that too. Then I'd have to leave him.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Also remember that we are individuals typing. We don't express the sentiment of anyone but ourselves.

I've said that all along

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I see. But even after becoming educated on such things, that doesn't mean you have it in your heart to devote a lifetime commitment to such things. That applies to any organization with a particular type of interest and philanthropy-base.

Quite true, my interest is more of an academic one. But I'm also not interested in joining an NPHC sorority. (No offense you know )

If starang21 actually hung with other nonblacks, he might've been like that too. Then I'd have to leave him.

No, that would be sad. Don't do that!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Quite true, my interest is more of an academic one. But I'm also not interested in joining an NPHC sorority. (No offense you know )

None taken.

See, academic interests are cool because we all have them. My research interests include the black community and the black church. But there's often (not always) a difference between when I study the black community versus a white person coming in to study the black community. There's historical and contemporary antagonism in that. It can make people feel like subjects who are being scrutinized and even used for something that doesn't fit a communal goal. That's how some black people feel when they vote whites into our organizations.

[starang21]

i met this older rho at the grocery store one time....and we chatted it up about our greek affiliation and i asked about the dade county nphc

her response:

"oh.....the nphc is only for black fraternities and sororities."

that hurt.

a lot.







LOLOLOL

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by starang21

i met this older rho at the grocery store one time....and we chatted it up about our greek affiliation and i asked about the dade county nphc

her response:

"oh.....the nphc is only for black fraternities and sororities."

that hurt.

a lot.



LOLOLOL

LOL!

She didn't know that Iota Phi Theta was a BGLO that's in the NPHC. She's not the only one.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

She didn't know that Iota Phi Theta was a BGLO that's in the NPHC.

lol, well i kinda figured and was expecting that.....but to have it put THAT way, that was hella unexpected

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by starang21

lol, well i kinda figured and was expecting that.....but to have it put THAT way, that was hella unexpected

LOL.

Now you know that has nothing to do with this topic, though.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by starang21

i met this older rho at the grocery store one time....and we chatted it up about our greek affiliation and i asked about the dade county nphc

her response:

"oh.....the nphc is only for black fraternities and sororities."

that hurt.

a lot.

Considering the source of this post, I am in a serious state of schadenfreude.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Considering the source of this post, I am in a serious state of schadenfreude.

they feel like bags of sand

have you recieved your membership card, kweer?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

None taken.

See, academic interests are cool because we all have them. My research interests include the black community and the black church. But there's often (not always) a difference between when I study the black community versus a white person coming in to study the black community. There's historical and contemporary antagonism in that. It can make people feel like subjects who are being scrutinized and even used for something that doesn't fit a communal goal. That's how some black people feel when they vote whites into our organizations.

I can understand that, just that I would hope each candidate is voted on by each member on their individual merits, not by the color of their skin.

I was fortunate enough to take a class on African-American Psychology. Big eye-opener to me. When I talked about it to other friends they were like... "and how is that different from everyone else's psychology?" Got me really looking at how everything from psychological theories to every day assumptions are based on white males and studies using white male college students. (Although due to the number of females in psychology who are often required to participate in studies, that's changing a bit)

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by starang21

[*starang/swivel posts some incoherent babble*]

This isn't Kazo, partner. Know your role and stay in your lane.

*puts Starang back on ignore, throws the yo, and K.I.M.*

[starang21]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

This isn't Kazo, partner. Know your role and stay in your lane.

*puts Starang back on ignore, throws the yo, and K.I.M.*

stay in my lane?

LOLOLOL, the irony.

can you even throw that up, considering your membership hasn't even been verified by the kazo kappas?

from k-sweet to k-perp?

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by starang21

stay in my lane?

LOLOLOL, the irony.

can you even throw that up, considering your membership hasn't even been verified by the kazo kappas?

from k-sweet to k-perp?

If the Kazo Kappas need to verify my membership, they can contact the local and provincial leadership in the area I serve and/or the IHQ. And I trust if this was really an issue with them, they would've done that from Day One, if they haven't already. You're the only one I hear bringing this up her on GC and you're not even a Kappa. Take your foolishness back to Kazo.

We.Got.This.Thanks.

Like I said, STAY IN YOUR LANE!!!!