Is this legal? Deactivated one NPC, now part of a new NPC.

[Buttonz]

Originally Posted by AChiOhSnap

Question...
I don't know about everyone else, but I had to verify my identity (via driver's license or school ID which had my legal name and birthday on it) before I could sign up for recruitment because of age restrictions.

Off topic....but what time of age restrictions did you school have with recruitment?

[AChiOhSnap]

Originally Posted by Buttonz

Off topic....but what time of age restrictions did you school have with recruitment?

I believe you had to be over 17 either due to local panhel rules or because there was a chapter (Chi O maybe?) in which you had to be 17+ to join.

Maybe it was over 18 for liability reasons? I don't remember, I was almost 19 so it was a moot point for me either way.

[PsychTau2]

Ya'll haven't even mentioned calling the Greek Advisor at the other campus.

Example: Jessica Marie Smith fills out a recruitment application and notes that she is a transfer student (because we have to check GPAs) from East Coast University. I shoot an email over to ECU's Greek Advisor and ask them to check their roster database for her name. If a Jessica Marie Smith shows up, we do some more investigative work.

Of course, this is assuming that Greek Advisors keep their roster information in easily searchable databases, which I think most do now in order to run GPA reports easier. Instead of calling 10 NPC chapters at ECU, I call (or email) one person.

Sure, bigger universities might see this as too time consuming, but it's up to each campus Panhellenic to decide how concerned they want to become with this issue. If a chapter member is suspicious about someone, they can bring it up with the Greek advisor.

PsychTau

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by PsychTau2

Ya'll haven't even mentioned calling the Greek Advisor at the other campus.

Example: Jessica Marie Smith fills out a recruitment application and notes that she is a transfer student (because we have to check GPAs) from East Coast University. I shoot an email over to ECU's Greek Advisor and ask them to check their roster database for her name. If a Jessica Marie Smith shows up, we do some more investigative work.

Of course, this is assuming that Greek Advisors keep their roster information in easily searchable databases, which I think most do now in order to run GPA reports easier. Instead of calling 10 NPC chapters at ECU, I call (or email) one person.

Sure, bigger universities might see this as too time consuming, but it's up to each campus Panhellenic to decide how concerned they want to become with this issue. If a chapter member is suspicious about someone, they can bring it up with the Greek advisor.

PsychTau

Yep. I agree. The greek life office would be the first place that I would call. I would think they would have lists of members, and if it became a priority, then they certainly could. If people were worried about who was really asking for the info., the calls could be from one school official to another, rather than chapter to greek life office.

[amanda6035]

but for AXiD, whenever we pledge a new member and send in their paperwork, we have to submit an "anticipated" initiation date. Prior to that date, FHQ sends us back a letter granting us permission to initiate those women. Granted, we've never received a "no you may not initiate this person" from FHQ - but I figured if we were being given permission to initiate them, then there must not have been a membership problem...

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

I'm pretty sure the age limit thing doesn't apply across the board...we've had 16 year olds go through.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

I'm pretty sure the age limit thing doesn't apply across the board...we've had 16 year olds go through.

I was 16, but I did have to have my parents sign the financial statements.

[Ocalagirl]

Yeah, a friend of mine was 16 when she became a new member of Alpha Chi Omega. I wonder if there are any libality issues with a minor pledging an GLO?

[Buttonz]

Originally Posted by AChiOhSnap

I believe you had to be over 17 either due to local panhel rules or because there was a chapter (Chi O maybe?) in which you had to be 17+ to join.

Maybe it was over 18 for liability reasons? I don't remember, I was almost 19 so it was a moot point for me either way.

I know this is off topic but this is intresting to me...

So if you had to be 18+ (let's just say) to go through recruitment at your school, and if you had formal in the fall that would mean freshman like myself wouldn't have been able to go through formal...in a competitive school that would have hurt my chances of getting a bid....right?

Is that fair?

[AChiOhSnap]

Originally Posted by Buttonz

I know this is off topic but this is intresting to me...

So if you had to be 18+ (let's just say) to go through recruitment at your school, and if you had formal in the fall that would mean freshman like myself wouldn't have been able to go through formal...in a competitive school that would have hurt my chances of getting a bid....right?

Is that fair?

At a campus like mine was, with deferred recruitment, this wouldn't have been a problem unless you skipped a grade or two. I suppose if this happened in a school with competitive recruitment, your age status would be taken into account during recruitment if you were to rush later.

It's entirely possible that whichever Rho Pi told me about the age restrictions at the time (she said that you had to be a legal adult for liability reasons and so your parents didn't have to sign off on everything) was giving me bad information, and that the greek life office just wanted PNMs birthdays to know who was underage so they could be prepared to be in contact with their legal guardians if they were to join a chapter. I just took her word for it because it seemed to make sense, and it actually kind of still does if you think about it...I'd think it'd be a pain in the ass to have to get all those parent signatures on insurance forms for greek week, softball tournaments, parties, etc. for an minor member. I would also think there would be special risk managment issues for minors. But I know it happens in chapters all over the place, so I'm sure it works out just fine.

That said, I don't think we had anyone under 18 go through recruitment in the years I was there, so it wasn't ever a problem from what I can recall.

Either way, the greek life office (and later my chapter, as we filled out the new member paperwork) definitely had my birthdate on file, and I had to verify my birthday with legal ID.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by AChiOhSnap

I believe you had to be over 17 either due to local panhel rules or because there was a chapter (Chi O maybe?) in which you had to be 17+ to join.

Nope...not us.

[NutBrnHair]

Seems to me that on most campuses, it's difficult enough to get the information from the Greek Life office on the students going through recruitment at the school, much less trying to field questions from other universities about transfer students!!!

This debate is silly to me -- I just don't think it's a widespread problem.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

Seems to me that on most campuses, it's difficult enough to get the information from the Greek Life office on the students going through recruitment at the school, much less trying to field questions from other universities about transfer students!!!

This debate is silly to me -- I just don't think it's a widespread problem.

I don't think it's a widespread problem either, but I think that unfortunately when some people learn that the chances of getting caught are low, it could become more common.

I'll admit I've had very limited contact with Greek Life offices. You may be right that they aren’t forthcoming with info.

But since the number of transfers in any new member class is often very small, it's probably not insurmountable to check into a girl's background. Calling greek life, calling chapters, calling the person who wrote a rec for the girl. If you really care, it probably can be accomplished.