Is this legal? Deactivated one NPC, now part of a new NPC.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by honeychile

I'd still put my money on an Alumnae Panhellenic checking all transfer students than ANY information such as a SSN any day of the week. Anyone who has sat through a bid matching or a planning session of any sort that involves Advisors or Alumnae Panhellenic ladies know that they are a force to reckon with!

This sounds good to me. Does every school have an Alumnae Panhellenic group?

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

This sounds good to me. Does every school have an Alumnae Panhellenic group?

No, which is why it is a terrible idea. At a school with only one NPC there isn't even a Panhellenic at all.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

No, which is why it is a terrible idea. At a school with only one NPC there isn't even a Panhellenic at all.

Well, on the upside, a school with only one NPC probably doesn't have that many transfer students rush each year, so it would be easier for the group to track the girl's history down.

I was trying to imagine what could work at UGA with 1000-1200 PNMs, and I think each chapter checking the background of each transfer that they actually give a bid to is the only way. As long as you could look into it before initiation, it would work.

I wouldn't want a SSN database; I tend to think that transfers who come from schools with NPC orgs are probably limited enough that each chapter could do the research if the chapter cared enough.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Well, on the upside, a school with only one NPC probably doesn't have that many transfer students rush each year, so it would be easier for the group to track the girl's history down.

I was trying to imagine what could work at UGA with 1000-1200 PNMs, and I think each chapter checking the background of each transfer that they actually give a bid to is the only way. As long as you could look into it before initiation, it would work.

I wouldn't want a SSN database; I tend to think that transfers who come from schools with NPC orgs are probably limited enough that each chapter could do the research if the chapter cared enough.

No, there are a ton of people who transfer from all of the other state schools, many of whom have several NPCs. These girls are from all over the midwest and it would be impossible to track them down. I'd have to call my friends at the University of Wisconsin and get them to go through the Greek stalkerbook and even that isn't going to be 100% correct.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

No, there are a ton of people who transfer from all of the other state schools, many of whom have several NPCs. These girls are from all over the midwest and it would be impossible to track them down. I'd have to call my friends at the University of Wisconsin and get them to go through the Greek stalkerbook and even that isn't going to be 100% correct.

How many do you mean by tons? Are you doing this after they are extended bids or before rush? How big are your new member classes?

Couldn't you call the chapters directly at the campuses where the girls came from? Honestly, how many transfers did you bid last year? How many came from schools with more than five NPC groups?

(Remember no NPCs are at two year schools.)

ETA: I realized this sounded really confrontation with all the questions. I didn't really mean it too. I'm just trying to understand what your actual experience has been. Even in a 50+ girl pledge class at UGA, there aren't probably even five sophomores or above in most groups; a good percentage of the sophomores may have been on the same campus the year before, and of the transfers, some probably came from schools with very few NPC groups. It doesn't seem like it would be hard to track down once you only had to track down the ones who you wanted to join your group, as opposed to screening everyone going through rush.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

How many do you mean by tons? Are you doing this after they are extended bids or before rush? How big are your new member classes?

Couldn't you call the chapters directly at the campuses where the girls came from? Honestly, how many transfers did you bid last year? How many came from schools with more than five NPC groups?

(Remember no NPCs are at two year schools.)

ETA: I realized this sounded really confrontation with all the questions. I didn't really mean it too. I'm just trying to understand what your actual experience has been. Even in a 50+ girl pledge class at UGA, there aren't probably even five sophomores or above in most groups; a good percentage of the sophomores may have been on the same campus the year before, and of the transfers, some probably came from schools with very few NPC groups. It doesn't seem like it would be hard to track down once you only had to track down the ones who you wanted to join your group, as opposed to screening everyone going through rush.

We haven't had "rush" since the mid-90s. Our NM classes are generally around 10 although up to 40 girls come to our recruitment events. Generally at least 5 transfers come through our recruitment and I think it would be absolutely absurd if I called Kappa at Lawrence or Phi Mu at LaCrosse and said "Hi, so and so is rushing my sorority, did she join your chapter?" I wouldn't give anybody who called our house and asked that the time of day. The girls in my chapter do not have the time to call every sorority at the other school the girl came from on top of classes and recruitment nor the time to email a list of those girls to the alumnae who are at least 60 miles away and busy with work or grad school. It's seriously absurd for you to think that this would work. This isn't like UGA or Bama where many alumnae are not working and have more free time for volunteering and alumnae panhellenic. This is essentially a tech school.

And yes, I do know that community colleges don't have NPCs. I also know that grass is green, the sky is blue, and I am sick of ladies who lunch assuming that every chapter is exactly like theirs.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

We haven't had "rush" since the mid-90s. Our NM classes are generally around 10 although up to 40 girls come to our recruitment events. Generally at least 5 transfers come through our recruitment and I think it would be absolutely absurd if I called Kappa at Lawrence or Phi Mu at LaCrosse and said "Hi, so and so is rushing my sorority, did she join your chapter?" I wouldn't give anybody who called our house and asked that the time of day. The girls in my chapter do not have the time to call every sorority at the other school the girl came from on top of classes and recruitment nor the time to email a list of those girls to the alumnae who are at least 60 miles away and busy with work or grad school. It's seriously absurd for you to think that this would work. This isn't like UGA or Bama where many alumnae are not working and have more free time for volunteering and alumnae panhellenic. This is essentially a tech school.

And yes, I do know that community colleges don't have NPCs. I also know that grass is green, the sky is blue, and I am sick of ladies who lunch assuming that every chapter is exactly like theirs.

Nobody has had "rush" since the mid 90s, and I apologize for saying rush rather than recruitment. If you don't care enough to find out if people you initiate were members of a NPC group at their previous campuses, it hardly reflect poorly on people and groups who would make it a priority. If you are too busy to follow up on the few girls who you want to initiate who are transfers (which sounds like it would be far fewer than ten a year), and you wouldn’t help another chapter with similar information, then you get what you deserve.

You’re basically saying you don’t care about the pasts of the girls you are going to make sisters. You’re not in my group, so if you’re cool with that, it’s none of my business.

I will note that many of your observations about Greek life in the south are wildly inaccurate, but if you’d assume all that, you’re not worth the time to correct it.

[AGDee]

I don't think the chances of getting caught are that low. It's a smaller world than most think. Someone who meets Susie at State U is going to know someone that Susie knew at U of State. Or, Susie is going to slip eventually.

The schools I'm used to working with often have transfer students. It seems like kids school hop these days.. from Michigan State to Michigan, from Central Michigan to Michigan State, on and on. A lot of people don't choose the right college for them from the start.

We can't get grades from a lot of schools in my area. Some of the schools in my area don't recognize the Greeks as student organizations. Trying to get contact phone numbers for all the chapters at a school like Eastern Michigan or Wayne Statewould be really hard, but people transfer from those two schools to other schools often.

I've been an Alpha Gam for 23 years now and have been involved on the local and regional level for 19 of those years and have never had a chapter have this happen.

Again, with the database thing, you still have to someone who can add all their members to an NPC database. That's a lot of entries in a year. And, all 26 NPCs would have to have at least one person authorized to add that data. Who would be authorized to look up that data? An advisor? A Collegian? Where would it be stored? How would they access it? How do you keep it secure? It just doesn't seem feasible to me.

We have other issues that are much more serious upon which we need to be focusing our very limited resources, in my opinion.

[UGAalum94]

Edited: Sorry, I posted before I saw AGDee's note.


On an additional logistically note, if you did start the all NPC database, it wouldn't really have to be retroactive very far, which was an earlier concern. There'd be a substantial benefit even if one started with 2007 initiates and simply went forward. Within a few years, you'd have almost everyone likely to attempt it, unless there's a big issue with serial AIers which we've yet to discuss.