Harry Potter Speculation

Drolefille · #1 04-23-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl

If that's the case, he should've been renamed Larry....and his eyes should swivel around and be removable like Moody.

Tee hee

There has to be SOME reason why we can't go a hundred pages without an Order member commenting on how Harry has Lily's eyes. (I'm exaggerating but not by much)

So, a bookstore employee was explaining her theory to a customer... that JamesPotter is Snape. Somehow Snape was there when Harry was killed and Snape now "contains" James in some way or another. I thought it was a long stretch to explain why Dumbledore has always trusted him.

And I think Harry is, at this point, going to have to face things more or less on his own. Ron and Hermioned will certainly be prominent and help him. But the adults he has trusted have been removed from him. Neither Dumbledore nor Sirius can save him (though I don't think Sirius is quite gone forever... Harry does have that mirror). He and his friends will have to fight as the "next generation" of the Order as it were. In my mind, the big question is, will he have to face Voldemort alone? It's traditional in a hero-villian stand off. And it fits the character arc of Harry. However, if the key difference between V and Harry is that Harry's friends will fight for him because they care (even love) him, they may play the pivotal role in the "last battle" so to speak and they may be the difference between Harry living or dying.

On another random thought, I wonder what would have happened if, on that first meeting with Draco, Harry had accepted that handshake and chosen his friends more "wisely." Perhaps he would have ended up in Slytherin after all?

It's quite intriguing an idea.

AlexMack · #2 04-23-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

Tee hee

There has to be SOME reason why we can't go a hundred pages without an Order member commenting on how Harry has Lily's eyes. (I'm exaggerating but not by much)

So, a bookstore employee was explaining her theory to a customer... that JamesPotter is Snape. Somehow Snape was there when Harry was killed and Snape now "contains" James in some way or another. I thought it was a long stretch to explain why Dumbledore has always trusted him.

And I think Harry is, at this point, going to have to face things more or less on his own. Ron and Hermioned will certainly be prominent and help him. But the adults he has trusted have been removed from him. Neither Dumbledore nor Sirius can save him (though I don't think Sirius is quite gone forever... Harry does have that mirror). He and his friends will have to fight as the "next generation" of the Order as it were. In my mind, the big question is, will he have to face Voldemort alone? It's traditional in a hero-villian stand off. And it fits the character arc of Harry. However, if the key difference between V and Harry is that Harry's friends will fight for him because they care (even love) him, they may play the pivotal role in the "last battle" so to speak and they may be the difference between Harry living or dying.

On another random thought, I wonder what would have happened if, on that first meeting with Draco, Harry had accepted that handshake and chosen his friends more "wisely." Perhaps he would have ended up in Slytherin after all?

It's quite intriguing an idea.

Nah, Sirius is gone forever. The mirror didn't work.
Did anyone else have a minor freakout that Helena Bonham Carter is playing Bellatrix? SO. AWESOME.
This movie looks like it will stay pretty true to the book so I'm excited.

christiangirl · #3 04-23-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

So, a bookstore employee was explaining her theory to a customer... that JamesPotter is Snape. Somehow Snape was there when Harry was killed and Snape now "contains" James in some way or another. I thought it was a long stretch to explain why Dumbledore has always trusted him.
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....(though I don't think Sirius is quite gone forever... Harry does have that mirror)......

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However, if the key difference between V and Harry is that Harry's friends will fight for him because they care (even love) him, they may play the pivotal role in the "last battle" so to speak and they may be the difference between Harry living or dying.......

1. If James is Snape, why would he hate him so much? He's only done right by Harry once (saving him from Quirrel's jinx) and that was purely so that, by doing that good deed, he could go one hating James' memory with peace of mind.

2. I don't think Sirius is gone forever (though I think JKR may have said he is), but Harry doesn't have the mirror. If I'm not mistaken, didn't he smash it when it didn't work?

3. This is true, but I think he will face Voldy on his own. It's in the prophecy that one must kill the other (according to Dumbledore). Says nothing about friends. Though it'd be a good thought that the 3 would band together against Voldemort, it'd be a better cinematic move to have Harry do it alone.

Drolefille · #4 04-23-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl

1. If James is Snape, why would he hate him so much? He's only done right by Harry once (saving him from Quirrel's jinx) and that was purely so that, by doing that good deed, he could go one hating James' memory with peace of mind.

2. I don't think Sirius is gone forever (though I think JKR may have said he is), but Harry doesn't have the mirror. If I'm not mistaken, didn't he smash it when it didn't work?

3. This is true, but I think he will face Voldy on his own. It's in the prophecy that one must kill the other (according to Dumbledore). Says nothing about friends. Though it'd be a good thought that the 3 would band together against Voldemort, it'd be a better cinematic move to have Harry do it alone.

1.I agree, James in Snape (or whatever) is waaaaay out there.

2. I forgot that he smashed the mirror. It's definately time to reread the books. I think JKR forgot that Sirirus gave it to Harry and had to write the mirror back out of the book. It is however unclear what exactly the veil is or does so there is some vague hope (except for the fact that Harry is losing adult aid, not getting more).

3.I'm still torn. While I agree, it's a classic hero move that Harry will have to face Voldemort alone, I'm just not sure we can count out the DA as well as Hermione and Ron. But I don't think the prophecy says that Harry must kill Voldemort. Just that neither can live while the other survives.

What about Neville. I think he's going to play a greater role. We know he's found his skills in herbology, but I can't help but think that he'll make an even better showing of himself than he did in the DA. It's almost required since his parents suffered so horribly.

lyrelyre · #5 04-23-2007, 08:43 PM

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But I don't think the prophecy says that Harry must kill Voldemort. Just that neither can live while the other survives.

"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches... born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives... the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..."

I think Harry must kill Voldemort.

Drolefille · #6 04-23-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lyrelyre

"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches... born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives... the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..."

I think Harry must kill Voldemort.

Bleh

To be fair.. Harry doesn't HAVE to kill Voldemort. Voldemort could just kill Harry. Sorry the "neither can live" part is the only one that sticks in my head.

christiangirl · #7 04-23-2007, 09:16 PM

I don't get this whole 'neither can live while the other survives' stuff. CLEARLY they've been doing it for 15 years now.

I don't know, I just feel like if Sirius was really dead and gone, then what was the point of Luna saying all that stuff about people behind the veil and how 'We'll see them again soon enough' and all that?

She's toying with my emotions, this woman...

Drolefille · #8 04-23-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl

I don't get this whole 'neither can live while the other survives' stuff. CLEARLY they've been doing it for 15 years now.

I don't know, I just feel like if Sirius was really dead and gone, then what was the point of Luna saying all that stuff about people behind the veil and how 'We'll see them again soon enough' and all that?

She's toying with my emotions, this woman...

Maybe she can't decide herself (or couldn't, I assume she's figured it out by now)

Well, it's only since Book 4 that Voldemort has truly been "Alive." But I always read it more like "continue to live" rather than "be alive right now"

I've been listening to the audiobooks that I *cough*Got quite legally from a library I swear and didn't download into large mp3 files*cough* I decided to do my rereading this way ever since I caught a reference to Sirius in Book 1 that I hadn't noticed for YEARS (First chapter, it's Sirius' motorcycle that Hagrid is riding) I'm in the middle of Azkaban right now

lyrelyre · #9 04-24-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

To be fair.. Harry doesn't HAVE to kill Voldemort. Voldemort could just kill Harry.

Touche (I really hope not though)

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

I always read it more like "continue to live" rather than "be alive right now"

I also think it could mean that neither can truly live while the other survives