The Term African American

[Sista]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

And again I'm going to tell you that a substantial portion of your 'issue' is one that deals with colonization and its consequences. Race is often, if not always intertwined with said issue, but what you are speaking of needs to be dissected beyond the race factor. I personally do not have enough substantial knowledge of this particular situation, and I feel that your descriptions and diatribes do not come with enough background for me to make an informed statement on the facts of the case, but I will get back to you when I can. .

I don't see how colonization could interfere with the idea of Social construction when in fact, we were talking about Social construction in reference to the way blacks in America are viewed as, in terms of race.

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

I Personally take issue with you comparing MLK to Tupac..

I'm sorry, I should have made my self a bit more clear. I used Martin Luther King as an example because he got involved in a struggle where he struggled for all people, not only that, in the future, it could and would be easy to construe his full name for a name belonging to a European. Also, White people love to take credit for doing something as courageous as Martin did. I mentioned Tupac in the same sentence with Martin because I don't know if you have noticed but pretty soon, young blacks will get bored with Rapp music, as black people tend to get bored with many of their creations hence, moving onto something else. When that happens, white people hapily will pick it up and they have already been preparing to do so. White people have been observing how blacks tend to create and create over and over, hence leaving behind what they previously invented. White people will love to be the ones who take over and take full credit for rapp music. Next thing you know, Mackavelli will go from who he originally was, that being a white man, to Tupacs altered ego back to Tupac, in the futre of course, originally, being white. When that happens, of course, white people will have taken over and the black Tupac won't be anything but a myth whereas the true Tupac will be a white man. All of the urban Rapp movies will feature white Tupac...

Ha, ha, ha

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by Sista

I don't see how colonization could interfere with the idea of Social construction when in fact, we were talking about Social construction in reference to the way blacks in America are viewed as, in terms of race.

I'm sorry, I should have made my self a bit more clear. I used Martin Luther King as an example because he got involved in a struggle where he struggled for all people, not only that, in the future, it could and would be easy to construe his full name for a name belonging to a European. Also, White people love to take credit for doing something as courageous as Martin did. I mentioned Tupac in the same sentence with Martin because I don't know if you have noticed but pretty soon, young blacks will get bored with Rapp music, as black people tend to get bored with many of their creations hence, moving onto something else. When that happens, white people hapily will pick it up and they have already been preparing to do so. White people have been observing how blacks tend to create and create over and over, hence leaving behind what they previously invented. White people will love to be the ones who take over and take full credit for rapp music. Next thing you know, Mackavelli will go from who he originally was, that being a white man, to Tupacs altered ego back to Tupac, in the futre of course, originally, being white. When that happens, of course, white people will have taken over and the black Tupac won't be anything but a myth whereas the true Tupac will be a white man. All of the urban Rapp movies will feature white Tupac...

Ha, ha, ha

I now see how, no matter how much it is explained to you, and no matter how many sources you are referred to with regards to colonization and race as a social construct, you are not going to get it. I'll ask someone to pray for you because I don't even have the patience to do that.

[ChildoftheHorn]

I think wanda sykes has a good take on the whole matter....

[Sista]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

I now see how, no matter how much it is explained to you, and no matter how many sources you are referred to with regards to colonization and race as a social construct, you are not going to get it. I'll ask someone to pray for you because I don't even have the patience to do that.

If people didn't integrate, there wouldn't be a such thing as colonization and there wouldn't be a such thing as racism, hence, there would not be a such thing as racial distinction. Maybe a such thing as class, higher and lower but not racism hence racial distinction. If not for colonailsim, theft of land and intergration, we would not be talking about Social Construction. Do you understand that? I don't care if you try and turn this around to make it seem as though I just don't get it. Bottom line, Social construction wouldn't have been thought of, if there wasn't some type of underlining propaganda to detour the not well thought out futurisitic/present results due to colonialism, integration and theft of land. Perfect example, South Africa.

Social Construction:
A social construction, or social construct, according to the school of social constructionism, is an idea which may appear to be natural and obvious to those who accept it, but in reality is an invention or artifact of a particular culture or society. The implication is that social constructs are human choices rather than laws of God or nature

• en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_construction

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by Sista

Social Construction:
A social construction, or social construct, according to the school of social constructionism, is an idea which may appear to be natural and obvious to those who accept it, but in reality is an invention or artifact of a particular culture or society. The implication is that social constructs are human choices rather than laws of God or nature

• en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_construction

People are most likely calling you names because you continue to talk and use examples of which it is obvious that even you yourself don't understand. Case in point your choice to define and the bold certain sections of the above definition clearly show that you lack certain critical reading skills. You chose to excerpt the above definition to "prove" that a social contstruct in an invention or artifact..." But what you failed to realize when trying to make said quip is that you are only supporting what just about everyone here has been trying to tell you. But just a word of advice on critical reading. When using above referenced definition of social construct, you must insert the social construction you are intending to speak about. Since 'race' is the social construct being spoken of in this thread, I'll give you an example. Replace 'race' with "social construct" and you get the following:

"'race' is an idea which may appear to be natural and obvious to those who accept it, but in reality is an invention or artifact of a particular culture or society."

This explains how the concept of race has and will continue to change and be "flexible" in American society, just as much as it explains how the concept of race varies within and between the U.S., Latin America, Europe, Africa. etc.

[DSTRen13]

Ch2tf ... you have so much more patience than I will ever have. I'm glad you understood what she was talking about by quoting wikipedia.com, because I definitely didn't ...

Can you interpret this part? I have no idea what she is trying to say (really, I don't know why I want to any more, except it's kind of a morbid fascination).

If people didn't integrate, there wouldn't be a such thing as colonization and there wouldn't be a such thing as racism, hence, there would not be a such thing as racial distinction. Maybe a such thing as class, higher and lower but not racism hence racial distinction. If not for colonailsim, theft of land and intergration, we would not be talking about Social Construction. Do you understand that? I don't care if you try and turn this around to make it seem as though I just don't get it. Bottom line, Social construction wouldn't have been thought of, if there wasn't some type of underlining propaganda to detour the not well thought out futurisitic/present results due to colonialism, integration and theft of land. Perfect example, South Africa.

What does that mean??

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

What does that mean??

She is saying that colonialists integrated, hence colonialism. And without the integration of different groups of people, there would be no need to create racial and ethnic distinctions or the resulting racism. In her mind, integration is simply any type of adding different races and ethnicities of people together in a given setting. It's a static occurrence instead of a dynamic process of social interaction.

Well, looking at the history of this world, the processes of "othering" and "exploitation" happened long before groups actually integrate, voluntarily or involuntarily. The stripping of land and economic foundation for the enslavement and exploitation of labor of certain groups of people, didn't require integration. It required outsider control of land and/or people and the ability of outsiders to come in, take, and leave. Or stay, and reside among people who look like them with little to no interaction with "others." And the "others" that were interacted with were not social equals. That isn't integration.

Dammit, Soror, you tricked me into explaining.

[Sista]

@DSTCHAOS


I went to Wikepedia to get the quote that I highlighted.


@Chtf


In response to your reason for why people are calling me names. Only children result to name calling. If you all are so confident about anything that you have said, you would not allow yourself to get so frustrated to the point where you resort to the acts of a child.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Sista

If people didn't integrate, there wouldn't be a such thing as colonization and there wouldn't be a such thing as racism, hence, there would not be a such thing as racial distinction. Maybe a such thing as class, higher and lower but not racism hence racial distinction. If not for colonailsim, theft of land and intergration, we would not be talking about Social Construction. Do you understand that? I don't care if you try and turn this around to make it seem as though I just don't get it. Bottom line, Social construction wouldn't have been thought of, if there wasn't some type of underlining propaganda to detour the not well thought out futurisitic/present results due to colonialism, integration and theft of land. Perfect example, South Africa.

This is incorrect. Colonization, racism, and racial distinctions did not begin because of integration. These constructs can and do exist in relatively racial and ethnic homogenous environments.

Instead of going back and forth you, because this has apparently become your thread, I just urge you to read those sources that we mentioned to you pages ago. Do NOT start with Omi and Winant's racial formation theory because you will get lost in it like you did this thread. Begin with the introductory-level textbooks provided by Joe Feagin and Eduardo Bonilla-Silva.

Originally Posted by Sista

Social Construction:
A social construction, or social construct, according to the school of social constructionism, is an idea which may appear to be natural and obvious to those who accept it, but in reality is an invention or artifact of a particular culture or society. The implication is that social constructs are human choices rather than laws of God or nature

• en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_construction

You had to go to Wikipedia for that? Wow. I told you what a social construction is pages ago.

This thread is frustrating to some of us because even some of our students don't take as long to grasp these concepts or at least read up on them themselves, as you have. If you want to discuss, do so after you have the basic understanding and can apply them more broadly.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Sista

I'm sorry, I should have made my self a bit more clear. I used Martin Luther King as an example because he got involved in a struggle where he struggled for all people, not only that, in the future, it could and would be easy to construe his full name for a name belonging to a European. Also, White people love to take credit for doing something as courageous as Martin did. I mentioned Tupac in the same sentence with Martin because I don't know if you have noticed but pretty soon, young blacks will get bored with Rapp music, as black people tend to get bored with many of their creations hence, moving onto something else. When that happens, white people hapily will pick it up and they have already been preparing to do so. White people have been observing how blacks tend to create and create over and over, hence leaving behind what they previously invented. White people will love to be the ones who take over and take full credit for rapp music. Next thing you know, Mackavelli will go from who he originally was, that being a white man, to Tupacs altered ego back to Tupac, in the futre of course, originally, being white. When that happens, of course, white people will have taken over and the black Tupac won't be anything but a myth whereas the true Tupac will be a white man. All of the urban Rapp movies will feature white Tupac...

This is one of the most insanely fucking idiotic things I have ever read on this board. Shut up and get off of your high horse. You are an incredible moron.

[Sista]

Originally Posted by macallan25

This is one of the most insanely fucking idiotic things I have ever read on this board. Shut up and get off of your high horse. You are an incredible moron.

Slavery was insane, the annihilation of the Tazmanian aboriginals was insane, The bubonic plague was insane, Aids is insane, people are insane, Blowing up the melonsian islands with nuclear bombs and then placing the natives to that island back on the island, was insane but guess what? It happens and it all did happen

Incredible? Yes, Moron? No

Just a plain old realist

[Sista]

Is there anyone out there who understands and knows what I am saying? If so, please, step up and say something. Don't say something in my defense but say something because it would be the right thing to do. I mean, the name calling is really not necessary. However, I know that the truth is subject to causing people to go bonkers.

[LΩVE]

Originally Posted by Sista

I don't see how colonization could interfere with the idea of Social construction when in fact, we were talking about Social construction in reference to the way blacks in America are viewed as, in terms of race.





I'm sorry, I should have made my self a bit more clear. I used Martin Luther King as an example because he got involved in a struggle where he struggled for all people, not only that, in the future, it could and would be easy to construe his full name for a name belonging to a European. Also, White people love to take credit for doing something as courageous as Martin did. I mentioned Tupac in the same sentence with Martin because I don't know if you have noticed but pretty soon, young blacks will get bored with Rapp music, as black people tend to get bored with many of their creations hence, moving onto something else. When that happens, white people hapily will pick it up and they have already been preparing to do so. White people have been observing how blacks tend to create and create over and over, hence leaving behind what they previously invented. White people will love to be the ones who take over and take full credit for rapp music. Next thing you know, Mackavelli will go from who he originally was, that being a white man, to Tupacs altered ego back to Tupac, in the futre of course, originally, being white. When that happens, of course, white people will have taken over and the black Tupac won't be anything but a myth whereas the true Tupac will be a white man. All of the urban Rapp movies will feature white Tupac...

Ha, ha, ha

Just to point out, the big bad mean white people don't appreciate your descrimination, prejudice, or ignorance any more than minorities appreciate ignorance from white people...and other minorities.

The fact is, conquering peoples generally do some really nasty things. History shows us that, from taking the Americas by force and malice to warring tribes in Africa taking each other by the same methods. No group of people is immune to this sort of behavior if given the chance.

Personally I want no part of credit for rap music. Though it originally offered a platform for political statements it's now been reduced to completely useless filth probably written by a 4th grader huffing glue. It's funny and useless for dry humping at bars and parties, but has very few redeeming qualities otherwise. There are VERY few rap ARTISTS. There are too many rappers to let the real artists shine, unfortunately.

Martin Luther King was a black man and always will be remembered as such. That is the point of his contribution...to fight for basic rights for black people who were treated as second class citizens.

By the way I've never heard anyone, ever, claim that Egyptians were white. The closest to is to hear that Jesus was white. Jesus was Jewish, therefore not Caucasian. As for Egyptians, here is a very concise and well-informed summary:

Certainly there was some foreign admixture [in Egypt], but basically a homogeneous African population had lived in the Nile Valley from ancient to modern times... [the] Badarian people, who developed the earliest Predynastic Egyptian culture, already exhibited the mix of North African and Sub-Saharan physical traits that have typified Egyptians ever since (Hassan 1985; Yurco 1989; Trigger 1978; Keita 1990; Brace et al., this volume)... The peoples of Egypt, the Sudan, and much of East Africa, Ethiopia and Somalia are now generally regarded as a Nilotic (i.e. Nile River) continuity, with widely ranging physical features (complexions light to dark, various hair and craniofacial types) but with powerful common cultural traits, including cattle pastoralist traditions (Trigger 1978; Bard, Snowden, this volume). Language research suggests that this Saharan-Nilotic population became speakers of the Afro-Asiatic languages... Semitic was evidently spoken by Saharans who crossed the Red Sea into Arabia and became ancestors of the Semitic speakers there, possibly around 7000 BC... In summary we may say that Egypt was distinct North African culture rooted in the Nile Valley and on the Sahara.[60]

[Langox510x]

Originally Posted by LΩVE

Personally I want no part of credit for rap music. Though it originally offered a platform for political statements it's now been reduced to completely useless filth probably written by a 4th grader huffing glue. It's funny and useless for dry humping at bars and parties, but has very few redeeming qualities otherwise. There are VERY few rap ARTISTS. There are too many rappers to let the real artists shine, unfortunately.

By the way I've never heard anyone, ever, claim that Egyptians were white. The closest to is to hear that Jesus was white. Jesus was Jewish, therefore not Caucasian.

In all honesty you are absolutely correct that most rap is pure crap, but I'd have no problem putting that label on any genre of music. I don't find anything amusing in watching some rocker bite the head of a bat off. I however won't generalize a genre of music based on what some artists might have done in the past.

Didn't really read everything that was said, but it is known that European explorers of the past have made many claims that Egyptians were white. This was also accepted by most people because at the time it was believed that blacks were simply not sophisticated enough to develop such advanced civilizations.

Also, I know many Jews who are in fact white, and I also have an uncle who is a black or African-American and practice the religion of Judaism. He was raised under the religion and was not a convert. I'd also be quick to put money down that most Jew's even in Israel cannot trace their family lineage in Israel back past 1948. Most would more than likely trace back to Europe, or other areas. Fact is, if I wanted to become a Jew I more than likely wouldn’t have a hard time. If I wanted to become white (unless I had Michael Jackson money) it would be next to impossible.